“არჩევანს განაპირობებს საგარეო ვექტორი”
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saqarTvelo Tavisi ganviTarebis axal, SeiZleba iTqvas, urTules fazaSia, rasac qveynis politikuri speqtris, mmarTveli gundisa da dasavleli partniorebis urTierToba ganapirobebs. bolo periodSi qveynis rogorc saSinao, ise sagareo politikas parlamentis mier miRebuli `ucxouri gavlenis gamWvirvalobis Sesaxeb~ kanoni gansazRvravs. ikveTeba problemebi, winaaRmdegobebi evrointegraciis gzaze. ramdenime TveSi qveyanaSi saparlamento arCevnebic gaimarTeba. rogor warimarTeba procesebi, ras unda velodoT da rogor vimoqmedoT, rom qveyanam dasaxul mizans miRwios? swored am sakiTxebze vesaubreT sajaro mmarTvelobis doqtors, bsu-is leqtor giga fartenaZes.
– umTavresad, ra movlenebze gaamaxvilebdiT yuradRebas?
– bolo ori Tvis ganmavlobaSi qveynis rogorc saSinao, ise sagareo politikas parlamentSi miRebuli `ucxouri gavlenis gamWvirvalobis Sesaxeb~ kanoni gansazRvravs. Cveni evropeli da dasavleli partniorebis Tu megobrebis mxridan mowodebebisa da masobrivi saprotesto aqciebis miuxedavad, qveyanam gariska da sasworze dado evropuli integracia, rac cxadyofs, rom am kanonis miReba da miRebis procesSi protesti aris am realobis wignis erTi Tavi, xolo kanonis miRebidan arCevnebamde periodi iqneba meore da daskvniTi nawili, romelic imaze metad mniSvnelovani iqneba, vidre gamWvirvalobis kanonis im formiT moqmedeba, rogoriTac aris SemoTavazebuli. Tamamad SegviZlia vTqvaT, rom oqtomberSi arCevani gakeTdeba ara partiebs Soris, aramed ganmsazRvreli iqneba qveynis sagareo veqtori.
– rogorc cnobilia, parlamentma daZlia prezidentis veto da sabolood miiRo kanoni `ucxouri gavlenis gamWvirvalobis Sesaxeb~. ras fiqrobT?
– mosalodneli iyo rogorc prezidentis vetos daZleva, aseve am kanonis miRebac, radgan gasul wels gawveuli kanoni rodesac wels kvlav aqtualuria da misi inicireba xdeba, es metyvelebs imaze, rom am kanons, nebismieri Zalisxmevis Tu winaaRmdegobis miuxedavad, eqneboda `dRis sinaTle~, Tumca es `sinaTle~ ramdenad aris Cveni qveynis naTeli awmyos da Zlieri momavlis manaTobeli, rTuli saTqmelia.
– saqarTvelos prezidentma mmarTveli partia antidasavluri kursis gatarebaSi daadanaSaula, amavdroulad, opozicias `qarTuli qartia~ warudgina. Tqveni azri amis Sesaxeb. . .
– saqarTvelos TiToeuli moqalaqe valdebulia, daicvas qveynis konstitucia, qveynis konstituciis 78-e muxli ki pirdapir migviTiTebs, rom evroatlantikur ojaxSi integraciisTvis yvelaferi gakeTdes – Sesabamisi damaaxloebeli, mWidro da qmediTi nabijebi gadaidgas. Cven ar gvWirdeba xelovnurad Seqmnili barierebi evropasTan da civilizebul samyarosTan, radgan ruseTis mier qveynis okupacia, hibriduli da dezinformaciuli kampaniebi isedac iTvleba udides gamowvevad evrointegraciisken mimaval gzaze. `qartias~ rac Seexeba, idea, rom opoziciuri speqtri erTiandeba, kargia, Tumca kvlav bundovani rCeba da mTavari kiTxva – rogor, konkretulad ra nabijebiT apirebs am `qartiis~ miznebis ganxorcielebas, pasuxgaucemelia. `qartia~ realurad dafuZnebulia arCevnebSi saWiro mxardaWeris miRebis pirobaze, rac niSnavs, rom rTulia saubari mis efeqturobaze, radgan `qartias~ Zala da azri mxolod maSin eqneba, Tu xelmomweri partiebi arCevnebSi mxardamWerebis xelSesaxeb raodenobas miiReben.
– praqtikulad, mTeli dasavleTi akritikebs gamWvirvalobis kanons, sanqciebic dauwesda aTeulobiT adamians. . .
– rTulia gansazRvra, Tu ra gegma aqvs mmarTvel partias, ratom maincdamainc axla, arCevnebamde 5 TviT adre miiRo es kanoni. realurad rom vimsjeloT da Tvali gavusworoT arsebul mocemulobas, kanonis miRebiT didi reputaciuli ziani miadga `qarTul ocnebas~ ara mxolod qveynis SigniT, aramed mis farglebs gareTac. aseT pirobebSi arCevnebamde misvla ki, namdvilad, ar aris martivi saqme, radgan saerTaSoriso partniorebis kritikuli reaqciebi prodasavlurad ganwyobili qarTuli sazogadoebis udidesi nawilis protestis anareklia. rac Seexeba sanqciebis dawesebas, rodesac Tavs Tvli `megobrad~ da `strategiul partniorad~, xolo amis Semdeg sakuTar megobrebs da strategiul partniorebs ar usmen, ar iziareb da ar iTvaliswineb maT arcerT Txovnas Tu mowodebas, amas SeiZleba hqondes ori axsna motivebis doneze, magram Sedegebis kuTxiT mainc erTi da igive wona aqvs: pirveli – Tu realurad moqmedeb Seni nebis sawinaaRmdegod da garemo faqtorebze dayrdnobiT uWer mxars, es avtomaturad gamoiwvevs urTierTobebSi bundovanebas da garTulebebs, meore da ufro sayuradRebo – Tu es mxardaWera gaazrebuli surviliT xdeba da mizanmimarTulad azianeb or megobars Soris urTierTobebs, mesame aqtori ki amiT bednieria da gaqebs. albaT, aseT dros, interesebidan gamomdinare, meore mxare ras gipasuxebs da ra formiT, sul mcire am `megobris~ gadasawyveti iqneba, radgan burTi Seni moednis erTi mxridan meore mxares gadaagde, gaazrebuli Tu gauazrebeli qmedebis gamo.
– saubaria vizaliberalizaciis SeCerebaze. aris es mosalodneli?
– vizaliberalizacia saqarTvelom damsaxurebulad miiRo. misi srulad gadaxedva da gadasinjva, am etapisTvis, rTulad warmosadgenia. aq gasaTvaliswinebelia Zalian bevri siRrmiseuli faqtori, romelic am process axlavs da did dros da Sromas moiTxovs.
– eqspertebi acxadeben, rom ruseTis mizania, dasavleTma xeli Caiqnios saqarTveloze. . .
– dasavleTs SeuZlia iyos ufro moqnili da efeqturi ruseTis borotebis da sisxlismRvreli reJimis winaaRmdeg. dasavleTma iseT qveynebs, rogoricaa saqarTvelo, ukraina, somxeTi, moldova da a. S. unda aCvenos im tipis mxardaWera, rom Tavad am qveynis moqalaqeebs ar gauCndeT nihilizmi dasavleTisadmi da aqtiurad gaagrZelon TavianT qveynebSi demokratiuli, damoukidebeli da Tavisufalebaze agebuli samoqalaqo sazogadoebis formireba, rac Zlier da instituciurad gamarTul saxelmwifod gardagvqmnis.
– ramdenime TveSi qveyanaSi saparlamento arCevnebi gaimarTeba, am mxriv, ra stadiaSia xelisufleba da opozicia?
– xelisufleba da opozicia, sul mcire, ori Tvea, imyofeba saarCevno ringze da rac ufro moaxlovdeba arCevnebi, miT ufro `meti uxeSobiT~ gamoiCens Tavs politikuri speqtri. vgmob da yovlad miuReblad, amoralurad mimaCnia is Zaladobrivi Tu damcinavi, damakninebeli da Rirsebis Semlaxveli kampania, romelic sazogadoebrivi Tu politikuri SexedulebisaTvis adamianis devnas, daSinebas da SantaJs isaxavs miznad.
– mZlavri opoziciuri platformis Seqmnas Tu varaudobT?
– ver vxedav erTi konkretuli opoziciuri partiis irgvliv yvela sxva danarCeni opoziciuri partiis gaerTianebis perspeqtivas, magram am arCevnebze iqneba mxolod prodasavluri flangi (es ki saerTo eqnebaT) da meore mxares – sxva danarCenebi. ufro metic, Tu ase moiqcevian, vfiqrob, oTxi weli kvlav umciresobiT movlen parlamentSi. dReis mdgomareobiT, opoziciuri speqtris eleqtorati SeiZleba davuyoT sam nawilad: pirveli – `nacmoZraobis~ mxardamWerebi (`nacionaluri moZraobis~ `Zveli gvardia~ da `strategia aRmaSenebli~), meore – `nacebis~ erTi flangisgan gamoyofili amomrCevelTa didi nawili (`axali~, `girCi~, `droa~, damatebiT – yofili saxalxo damcveli da SesaZloa giorgi margvelaSvilic) da mesame – antinacebi, antiocneba (`partia saqarTvelosTvis~, salome zurabiSvili da sxva politikuri figurebi). aRniSnul sam mizidulobis centrs, vfiqrob, eqneba `qartiis~ principebis realizebis Sansebi.
– raxan mmarTveli partia da `nacmoZraoba~ ar apireben momaval parlamentSi koaliciur reJimSi TanamSromlobas, SemdgomSi ra procesebia mosalodneli?
– Tu yvelaferi im scenariT ganviTarda, roca erTianad ar gadis opozicia, maSin isini calsaxad marcxdebian da rCebian im status-kvoSi, raSic axla arian, xolo iseT SemTxvevaSi, Tu zemoT dasaxuli gegma moqmedebs, koaliciuri mTavrobis dakompleqteba gardauvali iqneba.
– giorgi gaxariam ganacxada, rom arc mmarTvel partiasTan da arc `nacmoZraobasTan~ aliansSi ar Seva. ras ityviT am partiis mizanze arCevnebSi?
– gaxarias partias `saqarTvelosTvis~, vfiqrob, am etapze, cota Camoyalibeba aklia, nawilobriv bundovania maTi moqmedeba, xuTprocentiani barieri aris Zalian seriozuli gamowveva yvela partiisTvis. dRes yvelaferi zedapirze devs: wina arCevnebs Tu gadavxedavT, gaxarias partias seriozuli samuSao aqvs im SemTxvevaSi, Tu damoukideblad gava arCevnebze. . .
– dabolos, sagareo sakiTxsac SevexoT: ra gavlena eqneba ruseTis fiaskos an omis gayinvas ukrainaSi?
– ruseTis fiasko aris Zalian mniSvnelovani, radgan ukraineli, moldoveli, qarTveli, somexi xalxisTvis amas eqneba dominos efeqti, rac sabolood daasrulebs, daamsxvrevs miTs ruseTis uZlevelobis Sesaxeb. darwmunebuli var, es gaxdeba sababi Cveni qveynebis deokupaciisa da, saboloo jamSi, saqarTvelos, ukrainis da moldovis evroatlantikur integracias daaCqarebs.