ბაჩო ნაკაშიძე – ჰამბურგიდან: გაათმაგებული მოტივაცია გვაქვს იმისთვის, რომ გავიმარჯვოთ
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fexburTis istoriis 30 wlis ganmavlobaSi saqarTvelo evropis Cempionatze pirvelad monawileobs, rac imas niSnavs, rom am CempionatSi qarTvelebis nebismieri matCi CvenTvis zeimia. axla yvela sunTqvaSekruli morig saswaulsa da Taobebis natvris asrulebas elodeba. qarTveli fexburTelebi 81 000 mayureblis winaSe erovnul himns aJRereben da safexburTo TavganwirviT aerTianeben emigrantebs, evropaSi samSoblodan matCis sanaxavad Casulebsa Tu aq darCenilebs, yvelas, visac fexburTi uyvars. germaniaSi Cveni nakrebis saqomagod Casulma baTumelma operis momReralma baCo (oTar) nakaSiZem CexeTTan matCis win hamburgSi, quCaSi aTasobiT qarTvelis winaSe, saqarTvelos himni Seasrula. darwmunebuli var, yvela qarTvelisTvis es Jesti amaRelvebeli da sasixarulo iyo, xolo ucxoelisTvis interesis sagani. is ar dagvzarda intervius da Cvens SekiTxvebs pirdapir germaniidan upasuxa.
– germaniaSi pirvel TamaSs rom daeswariT, rogori atmosfero dagxvdaT da ra roli Seasrules gulSematkivrebma?
– warmoudgeneli, eniT aRuwereli emocia iyo. rodesac acnobiereb, rom Sens nakrebs, Sens qveyanas qomagob, xvdebi – Zalian didi roli gakisria, saerTo saqme gaakeTo Sens fexburTelebTan erTad. mogexsenebaT, gulSematkivari fexburTSi gundis me-12 wevria. qomagoba da mxardaWera fexburTelebs amxnevebs, did stimuls da Zalas matebs. ase rom, Zala erTobaSia. dRemde aq var, germaniaSi da kidev ver vacnobiereb, ra xdeba, raoden masStaburi ambavia qarTveli erisTvis da saqarTvelosTvis es yvelaferi. zogadad, xSirად dayofilni varT, magram am konkretul SemTxvevaSi iseTi erTiania qarTveli, xalxi rogorc arasdros. RmerTma qnas, rom sul ase erTad viyoT.
– bevri ambobs, rom emociebisgan saerTod ar axsovT, vin rogor iTamaSa, Tqvens SemTxvevaSi rogor iyo?
– ra Tqma unda, mozRvavebuli emociebisas, rTulia gaaanalizo, rac im wams mindorze xdeba. Cems SemTxvevaSic, cxadia, ase moxda. im momentSi ver vacnobierebdi, ver vaanalizebdi, ra xdeboda, vin rogor TamaSobda, magram vcdilobdi, Zalian guldasmiT meyurebina fexburTisTvis. erTaderTi, vinc moedanze Zalian damaklda, Cveni nakrebis lideri oTar kiteiSvili iyo. misma aryofnam Zalian imoqmeda, radgan is gundis xerxemali da didi Zalaa. igi wels avstriis Cempioni, aseve avstriis wlis saukeTeso fexburTeli gaxda. xom xvdebiT, rogori donis fexburTeli dagvaklda evropis Cempionatze?! am mocemulobaSi es iyo Zalian didi danaklisi Cveni nakrebisTvis.
– germanelebis mxridan Tu igrZnoboda qarTvelebis mxardaWera?
– Cemi da, siZe da disSvilebi TiTqmis 40 welia, germaniaSi cxovroben. TamaSebzec erTad viyaviT da germanelebisgan mousmeniaT, rom aseTi akademiuri midgoma, aseTi organizebuloba, rogorc qarTvel qomagebs hqondaT, Zalian didi xania arsad gvinaxavso. qarTvelebis CexeTTan TamaSic gamoarCies. Zalian sasiamovno da yuradsaRebia es yvelaferi. Cveni adgili usaTuod evropaSia!
– germaniis quCebSi saqarTvelos himns mRerodiT, ra reaqcia hqondaT garSemo myofT?
– CexeTTan matCis win, sadac aTasobiT qarTveli iyo Sekrebili, germanelebi acxadebdnen: zRapris bolo keTilia! Tqven genacvaleT! gaumarjos saqarTvelos! Semdeg xelSi megafoni momawodes, ratom – TviTonac ar vici, ara mgonia, magaT codnodaT, operis momRerali rom var (icinis). ra Tqma unda, qarTvelebis garemocvaSi saqarTvelos himni Sevasrule, rasac Zalian didi ovaciebi da sixaruli mohyva. CemTvisac, cxadia, asmagad sapasuxismgeblo da sasixarulo iyo es yvelaferi.
– mokled SeafaseT, rogor iTamaSes Cvenebma?
– Cemi mxridan es zedmeti iqneba, imitom, rom iq varT, sadac verc ki warmogvedgina, odesme Tu viqnebodiT. 30 wlis ganmavlobaSi evropis Cempionatamde ver vaRwevdiT, es xom pirvelad moxda. Cveni ocneba asrulda, TiToeuli wamiT da wuTiT viReb siamovnebas. amitom uaryofiT konteqstSi romelime epizodic ki rom gamovarCio, uxerxuli iqneba. modi, yvelam erTad miviRoT siamovneba, davtkbeT fexburTiT da mxari davuWiroT Cvens nakrebs.
– rogorc viciT, saba lobJaniZis gaSvebuli golis gamo uaryofiTi SeZaxilebi ar yofila, realurad ra xdeboda tribunebze da zogadad, aseT SemTxvevaSi rogor unda moiqces gulSematkivari?
– uaresebic momxdara, bevrad amaze xelsayreli poziciidan ver gautaniaT goli da amaSi tragedias ver vxedav. ra Tqma unda, Zalian kargi iqneboda, es momenti rom gamoeyenebina, goli gasuliyo da gagvemarjvebina, magram arauSavs, win mesame matCi gvaqvs. SeiZleba sensacia moxdes da movugoT kidec portugaliis nakrebs. axla gaaTmagebuli motivacia gvaqvs imisTvis, rom gavimarjvoT da `plei ofSi~ gavideT. saba Zalian maRali rangis fexburTelia da darwmunebuli var, gols sxva dros gaitans. gulSematkivari moiqca ise, rogorc unda moiqces civiluri adamiani. fexburTis matCze rom xar da qomagob, unda icode, rom Tu goli ver gavida, yvelaze metad is wuxs, vinc igi ver gaitana da misi gadmosaxedidan unda SevxedoT yvelafers, Sinaganad Cvenc gaviaroT is gansacdeli, romelSic igi imyofeboda. ras vizamT, burTi mrgvalia, xan qvemoT wava, xan – zemoT. warumateblobisgan aravinaa dazRveuli.
– rogorc viciT, giorgi mamardaSvils SexvdiT, masTan gasaubrebis Sansi gqondaT?
– mogexsenebaT, axla yvela evropis Cempionatze saubrobs. roca gunds qomagob, mogwons misi TamaSis stili, dadebiTi da uaryofiTi mxareebidan gamomdinare afaseb mis matCs, magram aris momenti, rodesac ubralod giyvars nakrebi da me neitraluri qomagebisgan davinaxe, rom saqarTvelos nakrebi SeuyvardaT. warmoudgenlad magari matCi Caatares TurqeTTan, CexeTTan cota gagviWirda, magram rac Seexeba mamardaSvils, ukve megagundebi da klubebi saubroben mis gadabirebaze. man warmoudgeneli performansi SemogvTavaza. masTan, iseve rogorc sxva nakrebis fexburTelebTan, urTierToba maqvs, Zalian magari mekare gvyavs! Cemi azriT, konkretulad am Cempionatis saukeTeso mekarea da amas ukve statistikac mowmobs.
– romeli qveynis gulSematkivrebi mogewonaT yvelaze metad, riTi gamoarCevdiT maT da Tu icodnen Cveni qveynis Sesaxeb?
– SotlandielebTan mqonda axlo urTierToba. Zalian dadebiTad da Tbilad viyavi ganwyobili, radgan ukve gvicnobdnen. bevri matCi gvqonda erTad, xSirad gvxvdeboda Sotlandia SesarCevSi da TbilisSic bevrjer iyvnen Camosulebi. maTTan gadakveTisas Zalian bevr Sotlandiels `sa-qar-Tve-lo! saqarTvelos gaumarjos!“ vaZaxebine (icinis) da amiT Zalian bednieri viyavi. sxvaTa Soris albanelebic iyvnen, Tan Zalian bevrni da Cven gvqomagobdnen. zogadad, simpatia yvela patara qveynisgan igrZnoboda imitom, rom debiutanti gundi varT da unda vaRiaroT, rom Cvengan aseT matCs da aseT performanss ar elodnen. SeiZleba iTqvas, sasiamovnod gaocebulebi arian.
– baTumel gulSematkivrebze ras gvetyviT? bevrni iyvnen?
– namdvilad Zalian bevri baTumelia Camosuli, maT Soris Cemi megobrebi da minda aRvniSno, rom ori germaneli, romlebic TamaSze CemTan erTad iyvnen, gaocebulebi darCnen. faqtobrivad, mTeli tribuna Cemi axlobeli, nacnobi, an megobari iyo. ra xdeba, yvela Seniani Camosuliao? mekiTxebodnen. vuxsnidi, rom baTumi aseTia, is aris qalaqi, romelic siTbosTan, erTobasTan, megobrobasTan asocirdeba da TiTqmis yvela erTmaneTs vicnobT. baTumuri siTbo marTla yvelasTvis TvalSisacemia. albaT subieqturi var, magram baTumi sadac aris, iq yvelaze didi siyvarulia.
– evropis Cempionatze romel nakrebs TvliT favoritad?
– aRsaniSnavia, rom safrangeTs Zalian Zlieri nakrebi hyavs, aseve, espaneTs. ingliss didi potencili aqvs da SeuZlia yvelaferi gaakeTos, ra Tqma unda, germaniasac. portugalia – Cveni metoqe Zalian Zlieria da vnaxoT, „plei ofSi“ ufro gamoCndeba yvela is nakrebi, romlebic ukve Tanabari Zalebis arian. CemTvis mainc safrangeTia mTavari favoriti.
– am Cempionatisgan siurprizebs elodebiT?
– es fexburTia da yovelTvis SeiZleba moxdes raRac sensaciuri. evropis Cempionati gacilebiT rTulia, vidre msoflio Cempionati, amitom msoflioze ufroa SesaZlebeli raRac siuprizi moxdes. Zalian didi imedi maqvs, rom saqarTvelos `plei ofSi~ vixilavT da evropul voiaJs ganvagrZobT.