ევროკომისიის ისტორიული ვერდიქტის მოლოდინში
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politikuri da ekonomikuri dividendebis TvalsazrisiT, es kvira saqarTvelosTvis umniSvnelovanesia, radgan, kandidatis statusis moniWebis SemTxvevaSi, Cveni qveyana dasavleTs, mravali faqtoridan gamomdinare, dauaxlovdeba, anu evrokavSirSi gawevrianebis kuTxiT mniSvnelovan nabijebs gadadgams, rac, cxadia, ruseTis SeSfoTebas iwvevs. oficialuri moskovi dasavleTSi lobistebis meSveobiT amkvidrebs azrs, rom omi ukrainaSi unda dakonservdes da misi gavlenis qveS myofma qveynebma (igulisxmeba moldova, saqarTvelo) neitraluri statusi miiRon. ra gadawyvetilebas miiRebs evrokomisia saqarTvelosTan dakavSirebiT, ramdenad misaRebia CvenTvis neitralitetis gamocxadeba? amis Taobaze politolog gela iremaZes vesaubrebiT.
– ra molodini gaqvT kandidatis statusTan mimarTebiT?
– rogorc cnobilia, 8 noembers evrokomisia Sualedur gadawyvetilebas miiRebs saqarTvelosTan dakavSirebiT. vfiqrob, rom Cvens qveyanas mianiWeben kandidatis statuss garkveuli daTqmebiT. statusis armoniWebis gadawyvetileba ruseTis wisqvilze daasxams wyals da es dasavleTma arafrisdidebiT ar unda dauSvas. SarSan, dasavleTma, Cven garkveulwilad, dagvCagra. am mxriv, damaimedebelia evrokavSiris maRalCinosnebis gancxadebebi imis Sesaxeb, rom saqarTvelo imsaxurebs kandidatis statuss. saboloo gadawyvetilebas evrokomisia dekembris miwuruls miiRebs da Tu raime eqstraordinaruli ar moxda saSinao politikis kuTxiT, saqarTvelo srulfasovnad miiRebs kandidatis statuss.
– dasavleTis moTxovnebi da rekomendaciebi mravalmxrivia, ramdenad vakmayofilebT maT?
– aq yvelaferi mainc subieqturia. cxadia, evropisTvis Zalze mniSvnelovania demokratiuli weswyobileba, kanonis uzenaesoba da a. S.Aaseve, mniSvnelovania Tavad qveyanaSi mimdinare movlenebi. opozicia ambobs, rom demokratia moikoWlebs, xelisuflebis azriT, saqarTvelo regionSi demokratiuli ganviTarebiT maRal donezea, amaze dava SeiZleba. xalxma unda Seafasos, ramdenad demokratiuli qveyana varT. gavixsenoT, Tundac bolo 30-wliani periodi, ra gvqonda da dRes ra aris? vTvli, rom Cveni qveyana nel-nela win midis. cxadia, amiT ar unda davkmayofildeT, piriqiT, unda movTxovoT xelisuflebas demokratiuli reformebi, adamianis uflebebis dacva da samoqalaqo kontrolze damorCileba, swored am valdebulebebis Sesrulebas iTvaliswinebs, garkveulwilad, 12 rekomendacia. mokled, Tu Cveni qveyana reformebs Tanmimdevrulad ganaxorcielebs da evrokavSiris moTxovnebs gaiTvaliswinebs, maSin am kavSirSi gaerTianebis perspeqtiva realuri gaxdeba.
– kandidatis statusis moniWeba ra SesaZleblobebs gvixsnis?
– Tu Cvenma qveyanam kandidatis statusi miiRo, amas, rogorc gacxadda, mohyveba struqturuli fondebidan dafinanseba, aseve, gaCndeba reformebis gatarebis meti moTxovna da es yvelaferi, udavod, qveynis socialur-ekonomikur mdgomareobaze dadebiTad aisaxeba.
– antidasavluri Zalebi acxadeben, TiTqos dasavleTi ebrZvis qarTul saxelmwifos…
– qarTulma sazogadoebam unda irwmunos, rom evropa da, zogadad, dasavleTi saqarTvelosadmi keTiladaa ganwyobili, amis Tqmis safuZvels iZleva Tundac is, rom dasavleTma Cvens qveyanas ara mxolod politikuri mxardaWera gamoucxada evrokavSirsa da natoSi gasawevrianeblad, aramed mniSvnelovani finansuri daxmarebac gauwia. cxadia, dasavleTsac aqvs sakuTari interesebi samxreT kavkasiaSi, rac, ZiriTadad, energoresursebze kontrolis damyarebas gulisxmobs da amiT ruseTis gavlenisgan samxreTkavkasiuri qveynebis gaTavisuflebas. am mxriv, umTavresi isaa, rom evropa da aSS, ruseTisgan gansxvavebiT, qarTul saxelmwifoebriobas ar ebrZvian, safrTxes ar uqmnian. Tu davakvirdebiT da gavaanalizebT ruseTis qmedebebs postsabWoTa qveynebSi, mivxvdebiT, rom kremli iq aRwevs mizans, sadac azrTa sxvadasxvaobaa sagareo veqtorTan dakavSirebiT da yalbdeba arCevnebi. sxvagvarad rom vTqvaT, Crdiloel mezobels ar unda davemsgavsoT. Umjobesia, misi antipodiiyo, gaataro demokratiuli reformebi, gaaumjobeso ekonomikuri mdgomareoba, ar CamorCe teqnologiur progress, ganaTlebasa da mecnierebaSi Cado mniSvnelovani Tanxebi da a. S. garda amisa, qveyanaSi xelisufleba unda icvlebodes mxolod arCevnebis gziT, rogorc es evropul qveynebSi xdeba. am mxriv, mniSvnelovnad rom gavaumjobesebT Sedegebs, maSin ruseTma romc moindomos saqarTvelos dapyroba, es misTvis arafrismomcemi (teritoriis kontrolis garda) iqneba, radgan, jer erTi, dasavleTi daupirispirdeba da, rac mTavaria, mas daxvdeba ara sabWouri, aramed misgan gansxvavebuli, mebrZoli sazogadoeba.
– bolo dros saeWvod gaaqtiurda saqarTvelos neitralitetze saubari, ras fiqrobT?
– saxelmwifos mier neitralitetis gamocxadebas maSin aqvs azri, Tu amasTanave aRiareben mezobeli didi qveynebi, romlebic, amasTanave unda warmoadgendnen mocemuli saxelmwifos neitralitetis garantiebs. ruseTi ver gaxdeba saqarTvelos neitralitetis garantori, vinaidan mas Cveni teritoriebi aqvs okupirebuli. ruseTis ndoba rom ar SeiZleba, cxadze ucxadesia.
– rogorc cnobilia, ruseTma araerTxel ugulebelyo dadebuli SeTanxmeba sxvadasxva saxelmwifo mimarTebiT…
– Tanamedrove istoriaSi araerTi magaliTi gvaqvs, rogor ugulebelyo ruseTma saxelmwifoebis neitraliteti. magaliTad, moldovam 1994 wels konstituciiT neitraliteti gamoacxada, magram amiT teritoriuli mTlianoba ver aRidgina. neitraliteti mTel rig valdebulebebs gulisxmobs: qveyana ar unda monawileobdes arcerT samxedro konfliqtSi, ar unda gamoTqvas mzaoba natoSi gawevrianebaze da a. S. zemoaRniSnuli faqtorebidan gamomdinare, saqarTvelosTvis neitraliteti miuRebelia.
– rogorc viciT, EerTi QqveynisEEEneitralitetis statusiT sxvadasxva saxelmwifoebi unda iyos dainteresebuli, am mxriv, saqarTvelosTan mimarTebaSi ra unda iTqvas?
– Cveni qveyana gansakuTrebul geopolitikur arealSia, amitom misi neitralitetis statusiT unda iyvnen dainteresebuli mezobeli qveynebi – ruseTi, TurqeTi, azerbaijani, somxeTi, aseve , aSS da evrokavSiri, magram jerjerobiT es gamoricxulia. ruseTi saqarTvelos gaZlierebaze rom ar fiqrobs, araxalia. Tanac Suagul evropaSi Semavali qveynebi, fineTi da SvedeTi, romlebsac neitraluri statusi hqondaT, natos wevrebi gaxdnen amaswinaT, rac mravlismTqmelia. ruseTTan urTierTobebis gamocdileba migvaniSnebs, rom am qveyanas ar SeuZlia partnioruli damokidebuleba.
– yvelafers rom Tavi davaneboT, ruseTTan urTierTobis samwuxaro magaliTebi sakuTari gamocdilebidanac mogvepoveba, Tqveni azri amis Sesaxeb…
– Crdiloelma mezobelma bolo 30 wlis ganmavlobaSi jer gamsaxurdias xelisuflebis damxobaSi miiRo monawileoba, mere SevardnaZis mTavrobas afxazeTi waglija, saakaSvilis xelisuflebis dros cxinvalis regionis da kodoris xeobis okupacia ganaxorciela, amJamindel xelisuflebas ki arsebuli realobis gaTvaliswinebas urCevs, anu afxazeTis da cxinvalis regionis dakargvisTvis Seguebas. es imas niSnavs, rom ruseTis saboloo mizani qarTuli saxelmwifos mospobaa.
– zemoaRniSnulidan gamomdinare , ismis, kiTxva: ratom cdilobs ruseTi postsabWoTa qveynebis dezintegracias?
– saqme is aris, rom afxazeTis, cxinvalis regionis, dnestrispireTis aneqsia da axla omi ukrainaSi berketia qarTuli, moldovuri da ukrainuli saxelmwifoebis likvidaciisTvis. ruseTis xelisuflebas ver warmoudgenia postsabWoTa qveynebis damoukidebloba, radgan, maTi logikiT, mxolod ruseTs unda vumadlodeT, rom es saxelmwifoebi Seiqmna da ganviTarda. amis dasturia isic, rom saqarTvelom, moldovam da ukrainam damoukidebloba rom gamoacxades, moskovma swored maSin gaaRviva konfliqtebi, romlebic dRemde grZeldeba. aqedan gamomdinare, saqarTvelosa da ruseTis TanamSromlobas ver vuwodebT keTilmezoblurs, radgan okupirebulia afxazeTi da cxinvalis regioni, grZeldeba mcocavi okupacia.
– dabolos, ra sxvaobaa dasavleTsa da ruseTs Soris?
– dasavleTSi SeiZleba yvelaferi idealurad ar iyos, magram evropuli qveynebi ekonomikurad gamarTuli, Zlieri saxelmwifoebi arian, swored aseTi qveynebis ferxulSi Cabmam ganapiroba baltiispireTis saxelmwifoebis mzardi ekonomikuri ganviTareba, xolo ruseTSi rac xdeba, sayovelTaod cnobilia. es qveyana araTu sxvisi, Tavisi moqalaqeebis uflebebsac Telavs. beslanis tragedia, CeCneTis ori omi, rom aRaraferi vTqvaT, adamianis uflebebis darRvevebze, amis TvalsaCino magaliTia. erT sayuradRebo magaliTsac moviyvan. aviRoT samxreT da CrdiloeT korea. rogorc cnobilia, CrdiloeT korea despotizmis, diqtaturis klasikuri nimuSia, misi ekonomikuri mdgomareoba – savalalo, adamianis uflebebi darRveulia, erT adamianze, anu mmarTvelzea damokidebuli adamianebis sicocxle. samagierod, sapirispiro suraTia samxreT koreaSi. es qveyana keTildReobis da progresis sinonimia. demokratia umaRles donezea ayvanili. mokled, adamiani sargeblobs ekonomikuri da politikuri dividendebiT. ai, es sxvaobaa ruseTsa da dasavleTs Soris, amitom Cveni mizani unda iyos evroatlantikur struqturebSi integracia, rom qveyana daculi iyos sagareo agresiisgan, vgulisxmob ruseTs, romelic civilizebuli msoflios Wiria, rasac ukrainis omic adasturebs.