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vin var me? – sakuTari Tavis Secnobis es mZafri survili da masze pasuxi warmoaCens pirovnebis namdvil saxes. am kiTxvas axalgazrda Semoqmedi mariam bukiac svams da misi pasuxi – me var Ziebad da fiqrad qceuli usasrulo horizonti, Cvens yuradRebas ipyrobs. Tu Tqvenc dagainteresebT, ufro vrcel pasuxs mariamis am interviuSi ipoviT. maS ase, axla mariamTan erTad vimogzauroT mis unatifes, mimzidvel, gonierebiTa da niWierebiT aRbeWdil samyaroSi.
– mariam, erT-erTi yvelaze gavrcelebuli, TiTqmis simboluric, saxeli gqviaT. . .Tavad ras ityodiT amaze?
– mariami, bibliuri simbolikis miRma, sxvadasxva kulturasa da epoqaSi siyvarulis, Tavdadebisa da maradiulobis aRmniSvneli is saxelia, romlis RirebulebiTi zanduxCac savsea saukuneebis siRrmidan uxvad nagrovebi siwmindis, sinaTlisa da sulieri sidiadis gancdiT. roca smenis molusks misi bakmiani xmovaneba mivsebs, Tavs vgrZnob am tradiciis nawilad da sruli sisavsiT ganvicdi im pasuxismgeblobas, rac mas Tan axlavs. Cemi saxeli gzavnilia, Sexsenebaa im zneobrivi Rirebulebebisa da sulieri sazrisis, rac mas ukavSirdeba. mariami CemTvis simbolo da uwyveti Sexsenebaa gonebis naoWebSi Rrmad Camjdari da moqmedebebisTvis nasafuZvlevi fiqris, rom saqmiTa da sityviT unda Sevqmna is sinaTle, romelic am saxelis Rirseulad tarebas ganapirobebs.
– rogor warudgenT mkiTxvels sakuTar personas?
– am wuTs, mkiTxvelisTvis, me var mariam bukia – saerTaSoriso literaturuli Jurnalis redaqtori da blogis mwerali. SromismoyvareobiT, uwyveti progresiT, vfiqrob, Sevqmeni SesaniSnavi Tavfurceli Cemi profesiul-saganmanaTleblo mogzaurobisTvis. var Svidamde saganmanaTleblo organizaciis wevri, menejeri, proeqtis menejeri, adamianuri resursebis marTvis departamentis xelmZRvaneli, axalgazrda maswavlebeli, spikeri, wignis klubis xelmZRvaneli, samecniero-inteleqtualuri klubis moxalise, wyaltubos municipalitetis meris axalgazrdul mrCevelTa sabWos wevri, mravali konkursis gamarjvebuli. mariami – vficav, es gogona daibada SemodgomiT TmaSi, varskvlavebiT sulSi da kalmiT xelSi.
– Zalian axalgazrda xarT da saerTaSoriso sarbielze ukve warmatebuli. rogorc redaqtorsa da blogers, cxadia, saTqmelic geqnebaT mkiTxvelisaTvis. ras da rogor saqmianobT, ras gZenT rogorc mwerals, sxva qveynebis literatorebTan urTierToba?
– Cemi Semoqmedebis gacnobis Semdeg, saerTaSoriso literaturuli Jurnalis gundma redaqtoris pozicia SemomTavaza. ukve ori welia, warmatebiT vsaqmianob. am statuss Tan daerTo blogis mwerlis pozicia or sxvadasxva JurnalSi. Cemi saqmianoba moicavs teqstebis – poeziisa da prozis – detalur ganxilvas, siRrmiseul analizs da argumentirebuli Sefasebebis momzadebas. amasTan, vzrunav namuSevrebis Tematuri da stilisturi Sesabamisobis gansazRvraze Jurnalis xasiaTTan, Sinaarsis – auditoriis molodinebTan. vxelmZRvanelob teqnikuri da SemoqmedebiTi procesebis marTvas Jurnalis TiToeuli nomris srulyofisTvis. es aris unikaluri SesaZlebloba, gavecno axalgazrda mwerlebis Semoqmedebas da mivawodo maT Cemi azri da rCevebi. mniSvnelovani, Rirebuli gamocdilebaa sxvadasxva qveynis SesaniSnavi axalgazrdebisgan dakompleqtebul gundTan muSaoba. bednieri var, rom literaturis moyvarulTa am ojaxis nawili var. Jurnali emsaxureba progresuli, rCeuli axalgazrda avtorebis mxardaWeras mTeli msofliodan, mTavari mizani ki sxvadasxva kulturisa da erovnebis mwerlebisTvis mkiTxvelTan dakavSirebis SesaZleblobis Seqmnaa.
– rogor miiRo mkiTxvelma `ganTiadsa~ da `WoroxSi~ dabeWdili Tqveni verlibri, rogori urTierToba gaqvT mkiTxvelebTan, kolegebTan? vin migaCniaT Tqvens literaturul maswavleblad?
– amboben, rom yvelaze didi adamianuri mcdeloba Semoqmedebas ukavSirdeba. mec am mcedelobaTa rigSi met-naklebad Cabmuls, maxarebs da siamayis grZnobas miCens Rirssacnobi miRweva – Cemi verlibrebis dabeWdva literaturul Jurnal `ganTiadsa~ da `WoroxSi~. sityvebi ukmaria bednierebisa da kmayofilebis sinTeziT Seqmnili im grZnobis aRsawerad, rac yovel jerze moaqvs literaturul warmatebas. mkiTxvelisgan dadebiTi rezonansis, siRrmiseuli gaazrebis, sazommiuwvdomlad Zvirfasi Sefasebis da keTilganwyobis miRebaa am procesSi udidesi, gauxunari jildo da Zlieri impulsi, SemoqmedebiTi gzis uwyvetad gangrZobis. mkiTxvelebTan urTierToba CemTvis dialogis gansakuTrebuli formaa, kolegebTan ki megobrobis, gamocdilebis, xedvisa da fiqrebis gaziarebis brwyinvale SesaZlebloba. rac Seexeba literaturul maswavleblebs, ar myavs konkretuli, saxeliT gasaxsenebeli mentori, magram did maswavleblebad mimaCnia qarTuli da msoflio literaturis klasikosebi. maTi Semoqmedebis kiTxvam maswavla, rom mwerloba araTu pasuxebis gacema, kiTxvebis dasma da samyaros siRrmiseuli aRqmis xelovnebaa.
– `samyarom Cemi zRapari Seqmna~ – Tqveni es Tamami da Tavisufali ganacxadi sainteresoa. . . gviambeT es zRapari. . .
– `samyarom Cemi zRapari Seqmna~ – Cemi sulieri mdgomareobis, bednierebis, srulfasovnebisa da sisavsis aRiarebaa. arian adamianebi, mTeli cxovrebis ganmavlobaSi rom ocneboben TavianTi zRapris Seqmnaze, ibrZvian, yovel nabijze winaaRmdegobas uweven dabrkolebebs da aRweven mizans, an verasdros akeTeben amas. Cems SemTxvevaSi, TiTqos yvelaferi TavisTavadi, bunebrivi da denadi iyo – cxovreba ise daswvda Cems guls, rom ukve vgrZnobdi: Cemi zRapari Seqmnilia CemTvis, aqvs sawyisi, siRrme da muxti. aTasi xe erTdroulad aSrialda da damaqara bedniereba, rac ki samyaros odesme ugrovebia da uniWebia sulierisTvis. es aris Sinagani siuxve, romelic yoveldRiurobas apirmziTebs. vgrZnob, rom yvelaferi, rac miWiravs xelSi, iseve Rirebulia, rogorc is, riskenac miviltvi. es ki miviRe ara rogorc bedi, aramed rogorc pasuxismgebloba – vicxovro am zRaparSi ise, rom Rirseuli viyo misi gmirobisTvis. . . .da mainc, es zRapari ar aris ubralod `bednieri cxovrebis~ gancxadeba. es aris SegrZneba, rom sicocxlis arsi ara mxolod brZolasa da miRwevaSia, aramed imis gacnobierebaSic, rom rac gaqvs, es ukve qmnis zRapars. aRqmis es unari CemTvis samyarosgan udidesi saCuqaria da Cemgan – dausrulebeli madlierebis obieqti. wminda TavTavebs bednierebis baraqian kaloze vabevreb, kevrs vabereb ubzeobisgan.
– Tavs rogor grZnobT dedamiwaze, rogor aRiqvamT adamianebs da riT gamoirCevian TqvenTvis sayvareli adamianebi?
– dedamiwaze Tavs vgrZnob, rogorc mogzauri, romelmac es mSvenieri da dauSreteli samyaro dakvirvebisTvis, Semecnebisa da siyvarulisTvis miiRo. swrafia Cemi cxovrebis matarebeli da gzad begoniebs ayvavebs. vagonebs Soris tkbileulis damtarebeliviT moZraobs bednierebis da siaxleebis is maqsimumi, romelic samyaros SeuZlia SemogTavazos; galaqtika ki uxvad bertyavs varskvlavebs kalTidan CemTvis. sxva yvelaferi iseTive umniSvneloa, rogorc okeanis mmarTvelisTvis zRvis karasi. sayvareli adamianebi – Cemi cxovrebis skivi da mangia. maT unikalurobas is qmnis, rom maTi yofna arasdros aris xmauriani; isini Cems cxovrebas avseben mSvidi, mudmivi sinaTliT. maTi siyvaruli arafers iTxovs, magram yvelafers maZlevs – bednierebas, Zalas da im grZnobas, rom am samyaroSi arasdros var marto. isini Cemi simyudrovis mizezi da ndobis adresatebi arian, Cemi cxovrebis yvelaze gulwrfeli da uwyveti zRapris nawili.
– sad giyvarT ganmartoeba da raze ocnebobT?
– ganmartoebas ar vsaxav calkeul ritualad. roca Sinagan samyaroSi garegani qarebi ver aRweven, sulniadagis baRebi ar saWiroeben izolirebas. ocnebebi xSirad is gabeduli navebia, romlebic Soreul napirebs eswrafvian. vocnebob uwyvet SemoqmedebiT enTuziazmze, movlenebis ucvlel sinaTlesa da Cemi harmoniis mudmivobaze.
– ra aris Tqveni inspiraciis wyaroDda romeli literaturuli mimdinareobis warmomadgenlad miiCnevT Tavs?
– STagoneba fragmentuli suraTebis Tval-baduraSi kalmaxebiviT Weras hgavs. ideaTa imgvar yalibebSi vasxam fiqrTa Senadnobs, rac erTeuli gancdis an sityvis safuZvelze iqmneba, radgan WeSmaritebis sasicocxlo cikli wamis intervalSi xorcieldeba. meore mxriv, rogorc Cems erT verlibrSi vwer – `gulis maranSi sapirispiro principi moqmedebs – sanam grZnoba gauxunaria, manam unda Sesva. adamianebi da movlenebi mogonebebad gadaduRdebian baqmaziviT da fiqrs roca gahyvebi warsulis sivrceSi, gemos gauxseneb TiToeuls, filtvebidan xvneSad amogiva `gamocdileba~. amdenad, STagoneba SeiZleba, zogierT Cemeul SemTxvevaSi, fiqris, dakvirvebisa da grZnobis xangrZlivi procesis myisier produqtad qcevas da sityvad gabudevebas niSnavdes. vfiqrob, mwerals axalgazrduli Cqarosani fiqri da uwyveti TviTZiebac unda hqondes SemoqmedebaSi da mxcovanebisTvis saxasiaTo sidinje-mikuTvnebulobac. amdenad, Tavs im mwerlebis Tanamoazredac vTvli, vinc sityvebis saSualebiT usasrulo samyaros kvlevas cdilobs CarCoebis gareSe da, amavdroulad, radgan Tavisufali forma, Rrma emociuri gancdebi da adamianis sulieri samyaros yvela Rrma Widan amosazidi Cemi naSromebis ideur birTvs qmnis, amitom, verlibri CemTvis gamoxatvis gansakuTrebuli saSualebaa.
– aTi mcnebidan yvelaze arsebiTad da daurRvevlad romels miiCnev da ratom?
– aTi mcnebidan CemTvis arsebiTad arc erTi gamoiyofa, radgan isini, rogorc calkeuli WeSmaritebebi, erTad qmnian srulyofil sulier wesrigs. harmonia miiRweva sisruliT da arasdros – calkeulobiT. sulis Rilkiloebi Tanabrad dasabnevia.
– Cemi yvelaze didi megobari wignia – am frTian gamoTqmas ras daamatebdiT da wignebi, romlebmac suli gaginaTes. . .
– wigni gonebis spekalia. pirovnebad formirebis, azrovnebis formebis Wrisa da kveTis, daxvewisa da srulyofis procesi literaturuli piligrimobis gareSe warmoudgenlad meCveneba. msoflio literaturis mravalferovan Tematur mozaikaSi CaZirvaa TviTZiebis Seudarebeli saSualeba. CemTvis sulmnaTi wignebi, mraval sxvaTa Soris, gamorCeulad, kamius, folkners, kafkas ekuTvnis.
– rogoria, Tqveni dakvirvebiT, TaobaTa cvla, riT gamoirCevian Tanamedrove axalgazrdebi da ra aris am etapze warmatebisaTvis mTavari?
– TaobaTa cvla istoriis ganmavlobaSi ganmeorebadi, unikaluri gamocdilebiTa da faqtorTa gavleniT Camoyalibebuli fenomenia. Tanamedrove axalgazrdebi cxovroben informaciis SeuzRudav nakadSi, rac udides SesaZleblobebs aZlevT, maRali pasuxismgeblobiTa da sirTuliT moaxdinon sworisa da Sesabamisis SerCeva. Taobis niSandobliv maxasiaTeblad kritikuli azrovnebisa da SemoqmedebiTi midgomis gansakuTrebul ganviTarebas vTvli. sagrZnobi da mniSvnelovania maTi mgrZnobiaroba globaluri sakiTxebis mimarT, rac samyaroseuli suraTis masStabis aRqmis linzebSi daviwrovebis mizeziT Seqmnili mgonia. warmatebisaTvis am epoqaSi mTavaria, axalgazrdebma SeinarCunon pirovnuli TviTmyofadoba, ar dakargon sakuTari Rirebulebebi swrafad cvalebad samyaroSi, radgan im individualur gamowvevaTa Soris, romelsac epoqisa da drois xeli, pirovnuli gansxvavebebis miuxedavad, Tanabrad, gvisxams mzeris win, dRes umZlavresad vTvli cvlilebaTa krialosanSi Seni yofnis arsis, msubuqi Zafis SenarCunebas, romelzec margalitebadaa asxmuli Seni yoveli danayofi. Tumca, jamurad, warmatebis garanti mudam iyo da aris codnisa da Sromis sinTezi.
– cifruli transformacia – drois es moTxovna da Tqven?
– cifruli transformacia, drois es gardauvali talRa, mwerlisTvis axal gzebs xsnis SemoqmedebiTi naSromebis, fiqrebisa da emociebis, furclis kedlebSi mosazRvrulobis, rogorc arsebobis erTaderTi myari formis – cifruli xanis ZaliT gaSlil sivrceebSi ganuwyveteli mogzaurobis SesaZleblobiT Canacvlebis saxiT. Aaq TiToeuli sityva marcvalia qarSi, nayofieri niadagebis zedapirze daSvebis surviliT nafreni. am epoqaSi kalmis gverdiT dgeba klaviatura, furclebs cvlis TeTri ekranis usasruloba. weris procesi ukve araTu ganmartoebas moiTxovs, aramed gulisxmobs urTierTobas msoflio mkiTxvelTan. aq ki ibadeba gamowveva – sakuTar muzasTan axloobis paralelurad SeZlo drois svlasTan adaptireba da masSi Seni adgilis povna, da mowodeba – iyo xma, romelsac cifruli qariSxali ver Seasustebs.
– sakuTari momavali – Canafiqris asrulebis ra etapze xarT axla da samomavlod ras isaxavT miznad?
– jer isev didi gzaa Cemi piradi mTis mwvervalisken, Tumca TiToeuli siaxle namdviladaa progresis biZgi. mjera, rom es mogzauroba saocar simaRleebamde mimiyvans. TiToeuli miRweva qmnis bileTs warmatebis Cemeuli versiis misaRwevad.
– Tavad ras hkiTxavdiT sakuTar Tavs da ras upasuxebdiT?
– gjera Tu ara samyaros did, bednier da harmoniul saxlad qcevis? gasaTeTrdroSebel qsovilebs mze axunebs, CiriviT aSrobs, aivnebiviT amoklebs da CviliviT aWirveulebs.