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zviad gamsaxurdiasa da merab kostavas ideebs iziarebdnen SemdgomSi saxelovani qarTvelologi tariel futkaraZe da oTar surmaniZe. isini aWaris mTianeTSi arian dabadebul-dafrTianebulni. tarielma 60 weli icocxla, oTarma – 25. orivem sanimuSo ojaxi Seqmna. oTaris siyvarulis pativiscemiT, misma colma ekaterine qacariZem gvari Seicvala da axla yvela ekaterine surmaniZis saxeliT icnobs. igi ojaxze, 1989 wlis 9 aprilsa da Semdgom ganviTarebuli movlenebisadmi oTaris damokidebulebaze gvesaubreba.

– qalbatono eka, mokled gviTxraT Tqveni gvarisa da adgilis dedis Sesaxeb. . .

– warmoSobiT imereTidan var. zestafonis raionis sofel qveda saqaradan. Mmama, iuri qacariZe, iq daibada da gaizarda. Semdeg saswavleblad da samuSaod TbilisSi gadavida. daojaxda da faqtobrivad, arafrisgan, dedasTan erTad, Tavdauzogavi SromiT Seqmna yvelaferi. mama axla 92 wlisaa da isev mxned grZnobs Tavs. me universitetis kibernetika-maTematikis fakultetis dasrulebis Semdeg, muSaoba TbilisSi daviwye. axlac sabanko sistemaSi vsaqmianob.

– rogor mogajadovaT mTielma Wabukma?

– me da oTari Tbilisis ivane javaxiSvilis saxelobis universitetis kibernetika-maTematikis fakultetze meore kursidan erTad vswavlobdiT. Tavidan namdvilad ar mimiqcevia yuradReba misTvis, mxolod garkveuli drois Semdeg, rodesac TviTon gamoxata Cem mimarT interesi, aRmovaCine, rom iyo Zalian keTili, samarTliani, Wkviani da saocrad megobruli. swored am TvisebebiT momxibla. is uaRresad Sromismoyvare ojaxSi iyo gazrdili. mamamisi aleqsandre surmaniZe Suaxevis raionSi cnobili pirovneba gaxldaT.

– siyvarulsa da sikeTeze dafuZnebul ojaxSi pirveli Svili gaCnda. . .

– Zalian saTuTi da saocari grZnoba iyo es. Nninos dabadebiT Cvens cxovrebaSi SemoiWra sinaTle, siTbo da amavdroulad, pasuxismgebloba. es manamde ar gvqonda gancdili, sanam orni viyaviT. ori wlis Semdeg meore qaliSvilis, anas dabadeba ki varskvlavis gabrwyineba iyo im dros qveyanaSi arsebuli ruxi ferebis fonze.

– oTarTan urTierTobidan yvelaze keTil mogonebad ra grCebaT?

– Zalian miyvarda misi bavSvobisdroindeli ambebis mosmena, romelsac saocari iumoriT yveboda. SeeZlo, nebismier situaciaSi, adamiani karg xasiaTze daeyenebina da amas Zalian bunebrivad akeTebda. maocebda misi damokidebuleba erovnuli siwmindeebisadmi.

– komunisturi reJimi sastikad uswordeboda erovnuli moZraobis liderebsa da maT Tanamoazreebs. oTaris am procesebSi CarTulobas axlad Seqmnil ojaxSi rogor SexvdiT?

– Tavidan namdvilad iyo SiSi imisa, rom oTaris aseTi didi doziT CarTuloba erovnul moZraobaSi SeiZleboda misTvis kargad ar damTavrebuliyo. Tumca, isev da isev, misi xasiaTis simtkicem, momavlis rwmenam da gancdam, rom rasac is im periodSi akeTebda, iyo erTaderTi swori gza, am gaurkveveli SiSisgan gamaTavisufla. veRarc ki warmomedgina, rom Tu ara am gziT, aba sxvagvarad rogor unda gamoexata da daemtkicebina mas qveynisTvis, rogor uyvarda da rarigad erTguli iyo.

– tragikuli 9 aprilis Ramidan ras gaixsenebT?

– mZimed gasaxsenebelia is dRe ara marto CemTvis, aramed yvela qarTvelisTvis. im Rames oTari iyo iq. . . mZime, avbediTi da kidev ufro saSineli iyo ganTiadi. oTari dilasac rom ar gamoCnda, mama wavida mosaZebnad. rodesac dabrundnen, TvalebSi ver Sevxede vercerTs. . . SemeSinda imis, rac iq unda damenaxa da amomekiTxa. ase uxmod visxediT yvelani, Tvalebdaxrilebi, an ra unda gveTqva erTmaneTisTvis. . . 9 aprilze bevri iTqva da daiwera ukve, magram erTs mainc vityvi: es aris dRe, rodesac qveyanam Tavidan daiwyo Tavisi damoukideblobis dRis aTvla 21 qarTveli adamianis sicocxlis sanacvlod. Cven ki minimum, is mainc ar unda daviviwyoT, Tu ratom, visTvis an risTvis moxda es yvelaferi, unda SevZloT mtrisa da moyvris erTmaneTisgan garCeva.

– 25 wlis asakSi xelidan gamogecalaT erTguli da mosiyvarule qmari. ori qaliSvili Tqvens imedze darCa. . .

– me da oTars saerTo samegobro wre gvyavda. im mZime dReebs me marto, Cemi megobrebisa da ojaxis wevrebis Tanadgomis gareSe ra gadamataninebda. . . megobrebis umravlesoba dRemde Cem gverdiTaa da ra Tqma unda, erTmaneTis imedi gvaqvs yovelTvis. wina saukunis 90-iani wlebi Zalian mZime iyo da isev gavimeoreb, rom Cemi ojaxis wevrebis, gansakuTrebiT, dedis da mamis TanadgomiT, oTaris ojaxis wevrebis da axloblebis gamxnevebiT, megobrebis siyvaruliT gadavlaxe is wlebi. yvelas gviWirda maSin, magram gavuZeliT da gadavitaneT is rTuli periodi.

– Tqvens cxovrebaSi daRmarTi aRmarTma Secvala. . .

– Zalian didi pasuxismgebloba mekisra – ori Svili myavda gasazrdeli, sxva gza ar mqonda, daRmarTs ver Cavuyvebodi, ar SeiZleboda. . . da avuyevi nel-nela aRmarTs. axlac am gziT mivdivar, pasuxismgeblobis gziT.

– am etapze qveyanaSi mimdinare politikur procesebs rogor afasebT?

– Zalian mokled vityvi: kargi iqneba, Tu SevZlebT mtrisa da moyvris erTmaneTisgan garCevas.

– erovnuli moZraobis lideris meuRles, politikaSi mosvlis mcdeloba an survili Tu gqoniaT?

– arasodes gamCenia msgavsi survili.