„კოალიციური მთავრობის მთავარი პლუსი ერთმანეთის კონტროლია“
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saarCevno maraToni piks aRwevs – samiode kviraSi qarTveli xalxi Tavis istoriul arCevans gaakeTebs. amjerad vis miandobs amomrCeveli Tavisi qveynis bed-iRbals, cxadia, erTgvarovani pasuxis gacema Znelia, yvelaferi mxolod arCevnebis dasrulebis Semdeg gacxaddeba, Tumca arsebobs varaudebic, romlebsac sxvadasxva partia axmovanebs. swored amis Taobaze gvesaubreba `koalicia cvlilebisaTvis~ aWaris organizaciis erT-erTi lideri da amave koaliciis aWaris umaRlesi sabWos kandidatTa siis meore nomeri levan gorgilaZe.
– ramdenad demokratiulad mimdinareobs winasaarCevno procesi?
– demokratiaze saubari cota rTulia, roca avtokratiuli reJimis xelSia marTvis sadaveebi. wina wlebis gamocdileba da amJamad mimdinare procesebic cxadyofs, rom moqalaqeebs cvlilebebi surT, Tumca survils Riad ver afiqsireben, gamomdinare iqidan, rom sistema aseT adamianebze nadirobs da emuqreba samsaxuris dakargviT, ojaxis wevrebze ZaladobiT da a. S. amas emateba aWaris umaRlesi saarCevno komisiis gadawyvetileba, rom saqarTvelos parlamentis da umaRlesi sabWos kandidati partiebi amomrCevlma erT biuletenSi unda airCios. es, TavisTavad, amomrCevelis SecdomaSi Seyvanas emsaxureba, Tumca dro gvaqvs moqalaqeebTan amaze sasaubrod, asaxsnelad da analogiuri qmedebisken movuwodebdi sxva prodasavlur opoziciur partiebsac. am yvelafris miuxedavad, mjera gardauvali gamarjvebis, radgan dRes `qarTuli ocnebis~ mxardamWeri, ubralod, rTulad mosaZebnia qveynis masStabiT.
– ra gamoikveTa Tqvens winasaarCevno Sexvedrebze? mosaxleoba ra problemebis mogvarebas iTxovs?
– zogadi problema Zalian bevria, gaaCnia, ra lokaciaze marTav Sexvedrebs, Tumca erTi, rac yvelgan ikveTeba da rasac yvela xvdeba, aris, is rom Cvens qveyanas rusuli geziT momavali ar uweria, aseve, imasac, rom evrointegracia Zalian mniSvnelovania TiToeuli CvenganisTvis, momavali TaobisTvis. rusuli kanonis miRebis Semdeg uamravi daxmareba, rac dasavleTidan modioda, Sewyda, an Sewyvetis procesSia da amas mosaxleoba imdenad sworad aRiqvams, rom gamoricxulia prorusulma `qarTulma ocnebam~ xelisufleba SeinarCunos.
– Tqveni partiis liderebi acxadeben, rom mosaxleoba cvlilebebis molodinSia, Tumca mmarTvel partiaSi amboben, rom opozicia destruqciuli qmedebebiTaa dakavebuli da arCevnebSi fiasco elis. . .
– fiasko vis elis 26 oqtombers gamoCndeba da dagvirgvindeba mmarTveli partiis marcxiT. amis Tqmis safuZvels yoveldRiuri Sexvedrebi maZlevs. zemoT vaxsene da gavimeoreb, visac eWvi epareba, gamomyves mosaxleobasTan Sexvedraze da naxavs, rom aTi moqalaqidan (karg SemTxvevaSi) oria `qarTuli ocnebis~ mxardamWeri da is oric cdilobs, amaze Riad saubari ar mouwios.
– gamoikveTa ramdenime opoziciuri centri, sanam maT Sansebze visaubrebdeT, gvipasuxeT, ratom ar gaerTianda opozicia erT mZlavr platformad?
– prodasavluri opoziciis mier araerTgzis gaitesta erTiani opoziciis idea da yvela kvlevam aCvena, rom calke ramdenime centri ufro did Sedegs debs, vidre erTiani sia. vinc amaze kidev apelirebs, Segnebuli mavnebeli mgonia. faqtia, orive SemTxvevaSi `ocnebis~ gamarjvebis Sansi nulTanaa gaTanabrebuli, Tumca cal-calke centrebi ufro damajerebel gamarjvebas moitans.
– Tqvens platformas ramdenad zustad aqvs SemuSavebuli saxelmwifos ganviTarebis koncefcia?
– Cven erT-erTi gaxldiT, vinc prezidentis mier SemuSavebul `qarTul qartias~ xeli moawera. vfiqrobT, rom sasicocxlod mniSvnelovania (pirvel rigSi) sasamarTlo da saarCevno reformebis ganxorcieleba, TavisTavad, sxva mniSvnelovan reformebTan erTad, raTa amomrCevlis erTi xma fasobdes, sasamarTloSi gadawyvetilebis mimRebi pirebi xelisuflebaze ar iyvnen damokidebulni. aseve, adamianebis CarTuloba gadawyvetilebis miRebis procesSi aris umniSvnelovanesi, amitom decentralizaciac erT-erTi umTavresia, risi iniciatorebic Cven viqnebiT.
– Tqveni partiis erT-erTma liderma nika gvaramiam ganacxada, rom saarCevno siaSi adgils perspeqtiul axalgazrdas uTmobs…
– ra Tqma unda, dasafasebeli da, erTgvarad, misabaZicaa. samwuxarod, es nabiji didi xania vera da ver gadadga bevrma. sasicocxlod mniSvnelovania axali, kompetenturi saxeebis xilva qarTul politikaSi da vinc amas xels uwyobs, mxolod da mxolod dadebiTad unda Sefasdes.
– opoziciis da mmarTveli gundis dapirispirebis sakiTxi araxalia, Tumca aqtiuri diskusia gamoiwvia xelisuflebis warmomadgenlebis gancxadebam arCevnebis Semdeg partia `nacmoZraobis~ akrZalvis Sesaxeb. Tqveni azri amis Sesaxeb. . .
– warmoidgineT, isini `nacmoZraobas~ meZaxian mec, adamians, romelsac ideologiuri dapirispireba mqonda zemoT xsenebul partiasTan da dRemde maqvs. amiT cdiloben mcire raodenobiT SemorCenili radikaluri amomrCevlis SenarCunebas, Tumca amao mcdeloba mgonia.
– sxvaTa Soris, mmarTveli partiis wevrebi acxadeben, rom qveyana viTardeba da opoziciis braldebebi, saqarTveloSi demokratiis ganviTarebasTan dakavSirebiT, usafuZvloa. . .
– usafuZvloa aqciebze darbeuli axalgazrdebis xilva? usafuZvloa, azris dafiqsirebis gamo, adamianebs rom urekavdnen da aginebdnen, metic, xanSi Sesul adamianebsac rom urekavdnen muqariT? usafuZvloa, sadarbazoebSi rom xvdebodnen adamianebs da Tavpirs ulewavdnen? usafuZvloa, gansxvebuli politikuri poziciis gamo, adamianebs samsaxuridan rom aTavisuflebdnen? magaliTebi TiTze CamosaTvleli namdvilad araa da danarCens amomrCeveli gadawyvets.
– mmarTveli partiis wevrebi amboben, rom arCevnebSi damajereblad gaimarjveben da maTi reitingi 60 procentis farglebSi meryeobs. . .
– am absurds sakuTar amomrCevelSi muxtis wamosawevad aJRereben. Sidapartiul Tu met-naklebad sando organizaciebis kvlevebsac rom SeveSvaT, `gorbis~ kvlevas rogor beraven, yvelas kargad moexseneba da ai, gabervamde rom uyureben wnevis aparatebiT momarjvebulni, isaa realoba. faqtia, Tavs aravin moityuebs.
– ZiriTadad, romel partiebs Soris warimarTeba brZola da, am mxriv, mTavari opoziciuri partiis statusze pretenzias vin ganacxadebs?
– vxedavT, prodasavluri opoziciis mxares oTxi centri arsebobs da maT barieris gadalaxvis problema ar aqvT, Tumca vfiqrob, swori politikiT, `koalicia cvlilebisTvis~, saarCevno nomriT – 4 (miuxedavad mcire droiT arsebobisa opoziciaSi), yvelaze did Sedegs aCvenebs da momaval koaliciur mTavrobaSi erT-erTi msuye da mTavari iniciatori iqneba.
– rogorc fiqrobT, momavali arCevnebi urTierTdapirispirebis fonze Caivlis?
– survili didia, rom ase ar moxdes, Tumca realobaSi warmodgena rTulia, roca xelisuflebaSi moZalade zonderebiT dakompleqtebuli `qarTuli ocnebaa~. yvelafrisTvis mzad varT. vimedovneb, amis saWiroeba ar dadgeba, mSvidad Caivlis saarCevno procesi da ase moxdeba xelisuflebis gadabareba.
– ramdenad mosalodnelia koaliciuri mTavrobis dakompleqteba da, am mxriv, rogor gesaxebaT gaxarias partiis da `nacmoZraobis~ TanamSromloba?
– koaliciuri mTavrobis mTavari plusi erTmaneTis kontrolia. SeiZleba, ar gexatebodes gulze esa Tu is partia, Tumca makontroleblad Tu daudgebi mas, meti Riaobis da gulwrfeli politikis keTebis SesaZlebloba geqneba. TanamSromlobas rac Seexeba, es kiTxva am ori partiis wevrebs dausviT, Cemi mTavari sazrunavi axla `qarTuli ocnebis~ gabargebaa xelisuflebidan. ai, arCevnebis Semdeg mecleba `nacmoZraobasa~ da gaxarias ambebze sasaubrod.
– sagareo sakiTxsac SevexoT. saubaria imaze, rom SesaZloa, saqarTvelos vizaliberalizacia SeuCeron. am mxriv, mTavari barometri arCevnebi iqneba?
– ra Tqma unda, es miniSnebaa, rom Tu prorus xelisuflebas CaanacvlebT prodasavluriT, vizaliberalizaciis SeCerebis safrTxec gaqreba, winaaRmdeg SemTxvevaSi, es ganxorcielebadia da Tan – ara mxolod es. mjera, arCevnebSi Cveni gamarjvebis Semdeg swored am problemas aRmovfxvriT.
– dabolos, ra gansakuTrebuli maxasiaTebeli arsebobs, ris gamoc amomrCevelma xma Tqvens platformas unda misces?
– Cvens partias hyavs liderebi, romlebsac arasdros ubrZoliaT skamisTvis. nika melias – araerTgzis, aseve, zura jafariZes da elene xoStariasac uTqvamT uari kuTvnil mandatebze, nika gvaramias gancxadeba cxadyofs, rom sia ar aris misTvis prioritetuli, radgan partiis wevrebi arian sxvadasxva dargis Zalian warmatebuli da kompetenturi adamianebi, rasac kargad xedavs amomrCeveli. swored amitom mgonia, rom absoluturi umravlesoba arCevans Cvens partiaze SeaCerebs.