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musikologiis doqtori, Tbilisis saxelmwifo konservatoriis tradiciuli mravalxmianobis kvlevis saerTaSori centrisa da saqvelmoqmedo fond „qarTuli galobis“ direqtori, eTnomusikologi nino razmaZe studentobis wlebidan moyolebuli aWaris mTianeTis folklors efereba. misi wamowyebaa `erTi xeobis folkloris saRamoebi~, romelic Tbilisis konservatoriaSi imarTeba. ninos am wamowyebasa da sxva sakiTxebze vesaubreT.
– qalbatono nino, 2 aTeul welze metia gasuli im droidan, roca studenti gogona zurgCanTiT aWaris mTianeTis soflebSi dadiodiT da aq Semonaxuli folkloris nimuSebis videoCanawerebs akeTebdiT. ramdenad waadga momaval samecniero muSaobas es wamowyeba?
– madloba am TemebiT dainteresebisTvis. zogadad, kvlevisTvis TiToeuli nimuSi uaRresad mniSvnelovania. yvelafers Tavisi fasi, istoria, adgili aqvs. Cem mier Cawerili masalebi daarqivebulia da msurvelTaTvis xelmisawvdomia, aqtiurad gamoiyeneba sxvadasxva gamocemaSi, kvlevebSi. Tumca, vityodi, rom Cems Sromas praqtikuli kuTxiT meti Sedegebi hqonda. soflebSi aRdga tradiciuli simRerebi, ganviTarda folklori, turizmi, damatebiTi Semosavlis wyaro gauCnda mosaxleobas.
– Cveni gazeTis mkiTxveli Tqvens interviuebs kargad icnobs, magram akademiuri doqtoris xarisxis mopovebis Semdeg intervius pirvelad vwerT. ra iyo am naSromis Tema?
– Cemi naSromis Tema gaxldaT tradiciuli sakravebi da sakravieri musika. pirveli Tavi eTmoboda terminologias da ganxiluli iyo uzarmazari wyaroTmcodneobiTi baza, maT Soris, 80-mde bibliuri xelnaweri, Zveli qarTuli originaluri da naTargmni werilobiTi wyaroebi, sulxan-sabas da sxva leqsikonebi. meore Tavi sakravTa socialur funqcias exeboda. aq ganxilulia, faqtobrivad, yvela is konteqsti, ra konteqstSic gvxvdeboda Zvelad da axla qarTuli tradiciuli sakravebi. mesame da meoTxe Tavebi eTmoboda sakravis ergologiur (fizikuri monacemebi) da musikologiur sakiTxebs.
– 20 wlis ganmavlobaSi merisis, Wvanis, mareTis xeobebis folklori gaacaniT mravlis mnaxvel da xelovnebis Tayvanismcemel Tbilisel mayurebels. rogori iyo maTi da folkloris mkvlevarTa gamoZaxili?
– zogadad, Cvens proeqtebs yovelTvis Zalian kargi gamoxmaureba aqvs, rac, pirvel rigSi, beneficiarebis damsaxurebaa. aWaruli folklori unikaluria Tavisi xasiaTiT, musikaluri maxasiaTeblebiT, teqstiT da a.S. roca amas emateba sakravi, cekva, zepirsityviereba da eTnografia, mayurebeli mTian aWaraSi mogzaurobs. mkvlevarTaTvis mudam sainteresoa axali, aRdgenili simRerebis mosmena da unikaluri Semsruleblebis xilva sxvadasxva maRalmTiani soflebidan, romlebic Cvens saRamoebSi monawileoben.
– seqtember-oqtombris gasayarze Tbilisma mareTelebs umaspinZla. am saRamoTi amTavrebT maTTan urTierTobas Tu WvanelTa msgavsad baTumSic gamarTavT saRamos?
– aucileblad. es aris orive mxaris survilsa da mondomebaze damokidebuli, Tumca, Cven mzad varT, kvlav CaverToT samuSaoebSi.
– jeri romeli xeobis folklorzea?
– didi survili gvqonda, analogiuri proeqtebi xuloSi gagvekeTebina, Tumca Tavis droze pandemiam SegviSala xeli. axla, roca dro aseTi daCqarebulia da nebismieri aqtivoba garTulebulia, ar vici movaxerxebT Tu ara. survili da molodini didia.
– merisis xeobasTan komerciuli urTierTobebic gakavSirebT. ra stadiaSia iq wamowyebuli biznesi?
– merisis xeobaSi saTamaSoebisa da sabavSvo avejis energoefeqturi sawarmo gavakeTe, sadac evropuli standartebis produqti mzaddeba. kompanias „gogora“ davarqvi. sityva aWaruli dialeqtidanaa da borbals niSnavs. amJamad, montesoris ganmaviTarebel avejs vamzadebT da qarTul bazarze momxmareblisTvis erT-erTi gamorCeulad sayvareli kompaniaa, romelic xarisxiT da momxmarebelze zrunviT gansakuTrebul adgils ikavebs.
– folklori, mecnieruli kvleva da amasTan, erTob sapatio da misasalmebeli movaleoba – 4 Svilis dedoba... rogor aswrebT amdens?
– es yvelaferi 20 wlis ganmavlobaSi dagrovda. am kiTxvaze Cemi pasuxi aris, rom ver vaswreb. sxvadasxva dros sxvadasxva prioriteti da yovelTvis akldeba yuradReba romeliRac prioritetuli sakiTxs. zogadad, Zalian mexmareba siswrafe. wlebis ganmavlobaSi Camomiyalibda sxartad muSaobis unari, rac mexmareba procesebis efeqturad marTvaSi.
– 4 Svilis gamzrdeli deda ganvlili cxovrebis gzaze rogor afasebT sakuTari dedis rols?
– dedoba Cemi cxovrebis centraluri rolia, romelic mudmivad Sinagani da garegani gamowvevebiT aris savse. rac mTavaria, myavs janmrTeli Svilebi, gvaqvs siyvaruliT savse urTierToba. yvelaferi danarCeni mogvarebadia.
– qali, deda… qarTveli qalis upirveles movaleobad ras miiCnevT?
– vTvli, rom sqess erovneba ar aqvs. zogadad, qalebis Tu kacebis mTavar movaleobad am samyaroSi sakuTar TavTan da garemosTan harmoniaSi yofna mimaCnia.
– mravali gogona, drois gadasaxedidan, naadrev asakSi ojaxis Seqmnas nanobs. am mosazrebaze Tqveni pozicia rogoria?
– kategoriulad winaaRmdegi var. garda imisa, rom 18 wlamde kanonieric ar aris, vTvli, rom ojaxi zrdasrul asakSi unda Seiqmnas, sadac orive mxare damoukidebelia, SeuZliaT pasuxismgeblobis aReba da gaazrebulad Svilebis aRzrda.
– guriaSi dabadebulsa da gazrdils, vin gyavdaT saTayvanebeli musikasa da erovnul folklorSi?
– guruli folklori iyo da iqneba CemTvis amosavali wertili.
– Svilebi folklorisadmi ra damokidebulebas iCenen?
– Svilebs Zalian moswonT Cemi saqmianoba. xSirad eswrebian Cem mier gamarTul koncertebs, konferenciebs. maTTvis mniSvnelovani Rirebulebaa, xedavdnen mSromel dedas, romelic sazogadoebaSic aqtiuria da sayvarel saqmes akeTebs.
– mravalgzis giTqvamT im adamianebze, romlebmac sagzlad folklorisadmi siyvaruli gamogayoles. bolo dros maT rigebs vin SeuerTda? saRamoebis gamarTva materialur Tanadgomasac saWiroebs…
– cxadia, nebismieri aqtivoba finansur mxardaWeras moiTxovs. folkloris sferos uprecedento mxardamWeria biznesmeni vano CxartiSvili da misi meuRle, qalbatoni nana goTua. qalbatoni nana, garda imisa, rom fond „qarTuli galobis“ damfuZnebelia baton vanosTan erTad, galobis universitetis administraciis xelmZRvanelic gaxlavT. Cveni bolo RonisZiebis mxardamWeri swored es universiteti iyo. kursdamTavrebuli nikoloz mesxoraZe muSaobda mareTis xeobaSi da aqtiurad iyo CarTuli koncertis organizebaSi. Cveni RonisZiebebis mudmivi mxardamWerebi arian adgilobrivi municipalitetebi da aWaris ganaTlebis, kulturisa da sportis saministro. gansakuTrebuli madloba minda vuTxra batonebs – omar takiZes, fridon futkaraZes da anzor bolqvaZes. maTi mxardaWeris gareSe Cveni aqtivobebi, faqtobrivad, arasdros tardeba.
– konservatoriis kvlevis centris direqtori, ras akeTebT studentebisa da momavali folkloristebis profesiuli daostatebisTvis?
– Cveni centris mTavari mimarTuleba samecniero kvlevebis uzrunvelyofaa. saswavlo procesSi naklebad varT CarTulebi. gvaqvs ucxoelTaTvis gankuTvnili sasertifikacio kursi, romelic inglisurad tardeba. garda amisa, gvaqvs mdidari sabiblioTeko baza da arqivi, romelic mudam mzadaa, iyos studentebis da mkvlevrebis samsaxurSi. yovel or weliwadSi erTxel vmarTavT tradiciuli mravalxmianobis saerTaSoriso simpoziumebs, sadac msoflios sxvadasxva qveynidan araerTi cnobili da aRiarebuli mecnieri gvstumrobs. saqarTveloSi msgavsi donis konferenciaze daswrebisa da monawileobis SesaZlebloba, ra Tqma unda, xels uwyobs Cveni studentebis profesiul zrdas.
– romelime maTgani aWaris mTianeTis folkloris kvleviT xom ar interesdeba?
– aWaris mTianeTiT aqtiurad davaintereseT galobis universitetis studentebi. araerTi saswavlo proeqti da eqspedicia ganvaxorcieleT. Cveni 10-mde studenti iyo CarTuli aWarasTan dakavSirebul proeqtebSi da aqvT mudmivi kontaqti mTiani aWaris folklorul momRerlebTan. maTive interesia xuloSic analogiuri proeqtebis Catareba.
– merisis xeobaSi, rogorc aRvniSneT, komerciuli obieqti gaiCineT. Tu migiwevT guli, rom aWara-guriis mTis kurortebzec dasasvenebeli kera gqondeT?
– Cemi mTavari problema drois deficitia. dro rom maqvs, yovelTvis siamovnebiT avdivar mTian aWaraSi. sakuTari keris moTxovnileba ar maqvs, imdeni stumarTmoyvare megobari da axlobeli myavs.
– mraval mecniers, xelovnebis qomags surs ucxoeTSi gasvla da iq muSaoba. Tqveni pozicia rogoria?
– ucxoeTSi cxovrebaze arasdros mifiqria. yovelTvis vcdilobdi, Cems saqmianobaSi damenerga is miRwevebi da mimarTulebebi, sxvadasxva qveynis wamyvan universitetebsa an konferenciebSi rom momwonda. Cems qveyanaSi Tavs kargad vgrZnob da mimaCnia, qveynisTvis mniSvnelovan saqmes vakeTeb. zustad vici, proevropul saqarTveloSi vcxovrob da sxvanairad verc warmomidgenia.
– Svilebis survils, ucxoetSi icxovron, rogor SexvdebodiT?
– savaraudod, Cemi Svilebi miiReben ganaTlebas ucxoeTSi, rasac mivesalmebi. visurvebdi, isini aRizardon profesionalebad da TavianTi codna Cvens qveyanas moaxmaron.