ნინო ცხვარაძე: როგორ უნდა დავუჯერო გვარამიას, მელიას, ხაზარაძეს, ხოშტარიას და მათ თანაგუნდელებს?

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nino cxvaraZe – baTumis sakrebulos wevri, partiis „xalxis Zala“ warmomadgeneli „aWarasTan“ saubrobs  qalaqSi arsebul problemebze, politikur dapirispirebebze, radikaluri opoziciis poziciasa da sakrebulos warmatebul proeqtebze. misi TqmiT, „ocnebis qalaqSi“ datrialebuli tragedia yvelasTvis Semzaravi da mtkivneulia, xolo amis politikuri miznebisTvis gamoyeneba – amazrzeni.

– baTumis sakrebuloSi „qarTuli ocnebis“ saarCevno siiT SexvediT, Tumca dRes sakrebuloSi „xalxis Zalas“ warmoadgenT. . .

2022 wels saqarTvelos parlamentSi „qarTuli ocneba“ Tavdapirvelad  samma deputatma datova da moZraoba „xalxis Zala“ Camoayaliba, Tumca mogvianebiT, moZraobas ara mxolod parlamentidan, saqarTvelos TiTqmis yvela municipalitetis sakrebulos wevrebic SeuerTdnen. erTi wlis Semdeg igi politikur partiad Camoyalibda. imTaviTve gaJRerda, rom „xalxis Zala“ sakuTar Tavze aiRebda da mosaxleobas etyoda simarTles, imas, rasac mmarTveli gundi ver ityoda. „xalxis Zalas“ Tavidan amerikis magineblebi uwodes, radgan swored am Zalam daiwyo saubari qveynis suverenitetze, rom saqarTvelo gare Zalebs daupirispirdeboda da maT qveynis saSinao politikaSi Carevis uflebas ar miscemda. bunebrivia, opoziciisa da arasamTavrobo seqtorisTvis, romlebsac wlebis ganmavlobaSi afinansebda da marTavda ucxo Zalebi, „xalxis Zala“ misaRebi ver iqneboda. gaxsovT albaT, „gamWvirvalobis kanoni“, Tavdapirvelad „xalxis Zalam“ daainicira, magram sazogadoebis nawili maSin ver Cawvda kanonis arss, radgan swored ucxouri gavlenis da dafinansebis enjeoebma kanonis mimarT uaryofiTad ganawyves da saprotesto aqciebis organizeba moaxerxes. pirveli agresia swored maSin wamovida „xalxis Zalis“ misamarTiT, Tumca dRemde maqvs kiTxva, gamWvirvalobaSi ras xedavdnen usamarTlos? diax, maSinac vambobdi da dResac gavimeoreb, roca ucxo qveynidan soliduri Tanxebi Semodis, saqarTvelos moqalaqeebs gvaqvs ufleba vicodeT, ra mizans emsaxureba dafinanseba. Tu dasamali araferia, maSin arc kanoni unda uqmnides vinmes diskomforts. principSi, es Tema aqtualuri aRaraa, radgan xelisuflebam SeZlo ,,gamWvirvalobis kanonis” miReba. dRes, opozicia amerikis axlad arCeul prezidents augad rom moixseniebs, ratomRac problemas ar warmoadgens, maT Soris, arc amerikis saelCosTvis. swored aq ikveTeba ormagi standarti – Tuki  trampis politika, gancxadebebi da gadawyvetilebebi araa TanxvedraSi opoziciis dRis wesrigTan,   maTi mxridan Statebis misamarTiT gancxadebebis gakeTeba SesaZlebeli yofila. Tu gaxsovT, Tavis droze salome zurabiSvilic ar gaxldaT maTTvis misaRebi prezidenti, isic gemaxsovrebaT, rogor moixseniebdnen mas, magram Semdeg opoziciam sakuTar lideradac ki aRiara. mokled rom vTqvaT, Tanacxovreba gviwevs sazogadoebis im umciresobasTan, romlisTvisac mxolod ucxouri gavlenaa misaRebi da yvelaferi qarTuli ukana planze gadaswia. sxva ra vTqva, es is xalxia, mama rom aviwydebaT da maminacvlis mzes ificeben.

-„xalxis Zala“ 2024 wlis saparlamento arCevnebis Semdeg opoziciaSi gadavida.

– diax, asea. Tu Cven Tavis droze  davrCiT umravlesobaSi, dRes ukve gvaqvs ambicia, yvelas davanaxoT, rogori unda iyos jansaRi opozicia. oponireba, ratomRac aseTi tradicia daamkvidra xelisuflebis arajansaRma da arakonstruqciulma opoziciam, mxolod lanZRva-ginebiT unda Semoifarglebodes. Sors ar waval da baTumis sakrebulos magaliTze getyviT, sakrebulos sxdomebs opoziciis umravlesoba Tveebis ganmavlobaSi ar eswreba, rasac politikur gamarTlebas uZebnian boikotis reJimis momizezebiT. TumcaRa, ara mgonia amomrCevels maTTvis ndoba arafris keTebisTvis gamoecxadebinos. amomrCevelis winaSe aRebuli valdebuleba niSnavs imas, rom maT problemebze da saWiroebebze unda imuSaon. aqve xazgasmiT minda aRvniSno, qalaqis sakrebulo ar aris adgili, saidanac globalur politikaze unda isaubro. amisTvis arsebobs sxva tribuna. qalaqis sakrebulom qalaqsa da qalaqelebze unda izrunos. opoziciis nawili sxdomebze modis mxolod politikuri gancxadebebis gasakeTeblad, mere TavianTi gamosvlebis Canawerebs socialur qselSi aTavseben da Tavs awoneben liderebs. rogor davujero opozicias, rom gulwrfelia, roca gazrdil biujets mxars ar uWers, im biujets, sadac asaxulia rogorc socialuri da jandacvis programebi, aseve infrastruqturuli proeqtebi. Tqven erTxel mainc mogismeniaT maTi mxridan, rom qalaqis biujeti yovelwliurad izrdeba da mosaxleobas, gansakuTrebiT jandacvis mimarTulebiT, xeli miuwvdeba iseT programebze, rac maTi janmrTelobis xarisxs gaaumjobesebs?!

– programebi axseneT da modiT, mosaxleobas uTxariT maT Sesaxeb.

– meriis jandacvis samsaxuri, SeiZleba iTqvas, erT-erTi gamorCeulia. es samsaxuri mudmivad muSaobs, rom baTumelebisTvis jandacva da socialuri mimarTuleba xelmisawvdomi iyos. Zalian bevri programaa da am programebiT sargebloben yvela asakis da Semosavlis mqone adamianebi. detalebSi ar Seval, radgan, miuxedavad imisa, rom sakrebulos jandacvisa da socialur sakiTxTa komisiis wevri var, umjobesi iqneba am programebze meriis samsaxuris warmomadgenlebma isaubron, radgan iq arian kompetenturi adamianebi. me ki xazgasmiT unda aRvniSno, rom garda saxelmwifo skriningis programebisa, baTumis meriam baTumelebisTvis damatebiT SeimuSava skriningis programebi. minda SemTxveviT visargeblo da baTumelebs vuTxra, daavadebis drouli gamovlena Semdgomi garTulebebisgan dagicavT. amitom, isargebleT skriningis programebiT, gaufrTxildiT janmrTelobas.

aseve, ar SemiZlia ar aRvniSno, rom baTumis meris sarezervo fondi, wina xelisuflebisgan gansxvavebiT, adamianebis daxmarebaze ixarjeba. sainteresoa, dRevandel opozicias hkiTxoT, raSi xarjavdnen da vis xmardeboda sarezervo fondidan Tanxebi? dRevandeli xelisuflebisTvis mTavari adamiani rom aris, gasuli wlis oqtomberSi, kidev erTxel, amitomac uTxres moZalade, kacTmoZule opozicias uari da kvlavac moqmed xelisuflebas andes qveynis marTva. rac unda iZaxon, rom arCevnebi gayalbda, maTi tyuilis aravis sjera da adgilobrivi TviTmmarTvelobis  arCevnebic CaniSnulia oqtomberSi. manamde aranairi arCevnebi ar Catardeba. ramdenadac mZime ar  unda iyos maTTvis es sakiTxi, unda Seeguon qarTveli xalxis umravlesobis arCevans.

– ra problemebis winaSe dgas dRes saqarTveloSi arsebuli politikuri speqtri?

– ukve aRvniSne da kvlavac gavimeoreb, rom sakrebulos wevri ar unda iyos dakavebuli mxolod politikuri gancxadebebis keTebiT, Tumca, bunebrivia, maqvs sakuTari mosazrebac da poziciac. naTelia, rom opozicia ver Camoyalibda da ver Sejerda erT poziciaze. moxda ise, rom saparlamento arCevnebis Semdeg, mxolod gaxarias partiam ar Seitana gancxadeba mandatebis gauqmebaze da arc siebi Caxsnes. danarCeni opozicia, rogorc Cans, imeds itovebda, rom muxlebSi Cauvardebodnen da xvewnas dauwyebdnen, qveynis da aWaris avtonomiuri respublikis sakanonmdeblo organoebSi muSaoba gaagrZeleTo. raki muSaoba ar surT da principSi, wlebis ganmavlobaSi an destruqciiT iyvnen dakavebulebi, an boikotis reJimSi iyvnen, swor gzaze daayena xelisuflebam da gauSva iq, sadac maTi adgilia – quCaSi! xelisuflebas ki konstruqciul oponirebas „xalxis Zala“ gauwevs.

– mosaxleoba orad gaiyo da siZulvilis ena damkvidrda saqarTveloSi, rac angrevs rogorc xalxs, ise saxelmwifos. ra migaCniaT am daZabulobis ganmuxtvis ZiriTad meqanizmad?

– siZulvilis eniT mxolod sakuTari xalxis da qveynis moZule opozicia saubrobs. bulingic maTi Sinagani mdgomareobaa. samwuxarod, gansxvavebuli azris mimRebloba ar aqvT da Tu ar eTanxmebi, xar mona, moRalate. . . arada, saqarTveloSi bolo periodSi mimdinare politikurma procesebma opoziciis lustracia moaxdina. swored rom emonebian TavianT batonebs. rogor unda gZuldes samSoblo, rom darbode mis sazRvrebs gareT da ixvewebode, saqarTvelos winaaRmdeg gadawyvetilebebi miiReTo. samwuxarod, mosaxleobis nawili SecdomaSi Seiyvanes da TavianTi politikuri miznebisTvis gamoiyenes, Tumca mizans ver miaRwies. rogor unda davujero gvaramias, melias, xazaraZes, xoStarias da maT Tanagundelebs? isini xom xelisuflebis xelSi Casagdebad yvelaferze wamsvlelebi arian, magram qarTveli xalxi brZenia. daZabulobas ganmuxtavs mxolod wina reJimis gasamarTleba. procesi dawyebulia da xalxic elodeba amas. marTalia, es ufro adre unda momxdariyo, Tumca xelisuflebis winaaRmdeg uSvelebeli manqana muSaobda da reJimis gasamarTlebaze mniSvnelovani ucxo Zalebis gavlenebisgan qveynis gaTavisufleba, mSvidobis da stabilurobis SenarCuneba iyo. SeuiaraRebeli TvaliTac Cans, male politikur sanagveze gadainacvleben qveynis Sida mtrebi, xalxic amoisunTqavs da qveyanac.

– ramdenad dasaSvebia vadamdeli arCevnebi situaciis dasaregulireblad?

– msoflioSi mimdinare politikuri procesebi cxadyofs, rom vadamdeli arCevnebis Catarebis moTxovna ucxo Zalebis karnaxiT iyo ganpirobebuli. arCevnebi Catardeba, Tumca ara vadamdeli, aramed rogorc kanoni iTvaliswinebs – adgilobrivi TviTmmarTvelobis da oqtomberSi kvlavac uars etyvis qarTveli amomrCevelis umravlesoba arajansaR Zalebs.

– sakrebulos umravlesobis mier mxardaWeril proeqtebze ras ityviT?

– qalaqisTvis bevri mniSvnelovani infrastruqturuli proeqti ganxorcielda. gaxsovT albaT, bagrationis quCis keTilmowyoba rom mimdinareobda, opozicias mosaxleoba SecdomaSi Sehyavda, rom es proeqti ar dasruldeboda, Tumca dRes, roca es quCa keTilmowyobilia, xmas ar iReben. Cven yvelam unda SevZloT kargze kargis Tqma da cudze – cudis. ratom gavixsene bagrationis quCa? dRes qalaqis mTavari quCa keTilewyoba. qvafenilis nacvlad asfaltis safari daigeba, rac mosaxleobis moTxovna iyo. amasTan, qalaqSi ukve gvaqvs axali yinulis sasaxle. qalaqSi keTdeba ara fasaduri, aramed mosaxleobis interesebis Sesabamisi infrastruqturuli samuSaoebi. baTumelebs minda vTxovo, moviTminoT. mesmis, rom, gansakuTrebiT mZRolebs, diskomforti SeeqmnaT, Tumca samomavlod kargi saqme gakeTdeba.

– rogor daakomentarebdiT „ocnebis qalaqSi“ momxdar tragikul SemTxvevas, romelsac ori bavSvis daRupva mohyva?

-„ocnebis qalaqSi“ datrialebulma tragediam saqarTvelo SeZra. arada, swored aWaris mTavrobis moqmedma Tavmjdomarem SeZlo im umniSvnelovanesi proeqtis wamowyeba, ramac iq macxovreblebis cxovrebis xarisxi gaaumjobesa. sxvas SeiZleba ara, magram Tqven xom gaxsovT, araerTi statia maqvs am sakiTxze gazeTSi muSaobis periodSi momzadebuli da arqivic arsebobs. batoni Tornike riJvaZe mivida pirvelad „ocnebis qalaqSi“ da adamianebs piroba misca, rom iq mcxovreb yvela ojaxs Rirseuli sacxovrebeli pirobebi eqneboda. mTavrobis Tavmjdomarem sityva Seasrula. umniSvnelovanesi da masStaburi socialuri proeqtis erTi etapi ganxorcielda da meorec male daiwyeba. mjera, „ocnebis qalaqSi“ datrialebuli tragedia gansakuTrebiT mtkivneuli batoni TornikesTvis iyo, radgan maxsovs, roca is pirvelad mivida TviTneburad dasaxlebulebTan Tqva, rom yvela bavSvi iqneboda bednieri, rom maTi ocnebebi axdeboda. tragediis politikuri miznebisTvis gamoyeneba ki amazrzenia.