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am dReebSi axali mowvevis aWaris umaRlesma sabWom
SvidTviani muSaoba sajarod Seajama. prezentacias sakanonmdeblo organos opoziciuri speqtridan mxolod erTi deputati, `evropuli saqarTvelos~ wevri
petre zambaxiZe eswreboda, romelmac `aWarasTan~ regionis sakanonmdeblo organos angariSze isaubra

– batono petre, opoziciidan mxolod Tqven moismineT umaRlesi sabWos saqmianobis Svidi Tvis angariSi. rogor SeafasebT am periods?
– sakanonmdeblo organos bolo oTxi mowvevis saqmianoba met-naklebad vici. bevri gavakeTeT imisTvis, rom regionis sakanonmdeblo baza Camoyalibebuliyo da Cveni kuTxe ganviTarebuliyo. 2004 wlidan 2012-is CaTvliT, yvela ZiriTadi sakanonmdeblo aqti, romelic misaRebi iyo, miRebulia da moqmedebs. Aaseve, miRebulia da moqmedebs aWaris konstitucia. masSi arsebiTi cvlilebebi ar Sesula da arc momavalSi igegmeba, radgan, realurad, is sfero da is kompetencia, rac gagvaCnia, axali konstituciuri kanoniTac ucvleli rCeba. ubralod, avtonomiuri respublikis konstituciuri kanoni, romelic arsebobs, cotaTi Semcirda, ramdenime muxli gaerTianda da erT muxlad Camoyalibda. sakonstitucio cvlilebiT, mTavrobis arCevis da damtkicebis sakiTxSi ramdenime punqtia Secvlili, Tumca, saerTo jamSi, is struqtura da agebuleba, rac hqonda am sivrces, sakanonmdeblo teqnikis TvalsazrisiT mowesrigebuli iyo da vfiqrob, arsebiTad cvlilebas arc saWiroebs. rac Seexeba SvidTvian angariSs, igi 2016 wlis mowvevis umaRlesi sabWos saqmianobis mokle periods asaxavda. angariSSi ar iyo mTavari, razec yuradReba unda gaemaxvilebinaT – mTavrobis kontroli, amomrCevelTan urTierToba da Tu ra gaakeTes umaRlesi sabWos deputatebma mosaxleobisTvis rogorc mTaSi, ise barSi. aseve, aris Tu ara gadadgmuli nabijebi im dapirebebis Sesrulebisken, rac `qarTulma ocnebam~ winasaarCevnod gasca. mTel rig parametrebSi, maT Soris, kompetenciebSi, sakanonmdeblo saqmianobis kuTxiT, mosaxleobasTan urTierTobis nawilSi, sakiTxebi Riaa, araferi Secvlila da mogvarebula. ver vixseneb verc erT mniSvnelovan faqts bolo Svidi Tvis ganmavlobaSi, romelic pirdapir aisaxa adamianze, moqalaqeze, im kategoriaze, romelic daxmarebas elodeba. aqedan gamomdinare, sakanonmdeblo organos muSaobis Svidi Tvis angariSs dadebiTad ver Sevafaseb. ufro metic, angariSi, saerTo jamSi, asaxavda statistikas, ZiriTadad, teqnikur sakiTxebs da masSi naklebad iyo saubari sxvadasxva sferos mixedviT, naklebad iyo yuradReba gamaxvilebuli komisiebis saqmianobaze. komisia umaRlesi sabWos ZiriTadi organoa, romelic sxvadasxva sferoSi Tavisi kompetenciis farglebSi muSaobs. aqedan gamomdinare, ukmayofilo var, angariSSi asaxuli unda yofiliyo yvela is ZiriTadi niuansi, saqmianobis sfero da sagani, rac gaaCnia sakanonmdeblo organos, Tumca, es ase ar iyo.
– rogorc umravlesobis deputatebma gaaJReres, konstituciaSi cvlilebebis Setanis Semdeg, kanonmdeblebi axali kanonebis miRebaze aqtiurad imuSaveben…
– saqarTveloSi sxvadasxva xelisuflebis dros miRebuli bevri kanoni moqmedebs, es norma da standartia. kanoni, romelic, vTqvaT, miRebulia 1995-99 wlebSi, dRemde moqmedebs, iseve, rogorc wina periodSi miRebuli da ase gagrZeldeba momavalSic. sakanonmdeblo teqnika, taqtika da praqtika saqarTveloSi Camoyalibebulia da identuria avtonomiur respublikaSi. Tu umaRlesi sabWo Seecdeba am awyobili standartis gafuWebas da ubralod, kanonebis Tavidan gadaweras, axali TariRis miweras, es, ra Tqma unda, fuWi drois da energiis xarjva iqneba. arc Sinaarsobrivad da arc kanonmdeblobis TvalsazrisiT swori ar iqneba ukve miRebuli kanonis Tavidan gadawera da TiTqos, raRac Seicvala – sazogadoebis SecdomaSi Seyvana da motyuebaa. Tu arsebiTad da mniSvnelovnad raime SeiZleba Seicvalos, amas uaxloes momavalSi naxavs sazogadoeba. davsxdeT arasamTavrobo seqtorTan erTad da vnaxoT, nebismier kanonSi ra aris Sesacvleli da ra moculobiT. realurad, ra suraTic dRes gvaqvs, mTel rig sakanonmdeblo aqtebSi da wlebis ganmavlobaSi moqmedebs, imdenad efeqturia, cvlilebebis Setanac ki ar ganxorcielebula Svidi Tvis ganmavlobaSi. Sesabamisad, Tu kanons iyeneb da cvlileba ar Segaqvs, miT ufro, ar arsebobs am kanonis Tavidan miRebis an axlis SemoRebis saWiroeba, es, ra Tqma unda, calsaxad Sefasdeba rogorc uaryofiTi moqmedeba da bunebrivia, Cems kolegebTan am sakiTxebze meqneba saubari, nawilTan ki ukve mqonda. aseT nabijs umaRlesi sabWo ar gadadgams, radgan sityva-sityviT, muxlobrivad, punqtobrivad rom mivyveT, aT procentze metic ki ar iqneba Secvlili. kanoni Tu ginda Tavidan miiRo, is unda iyos imdenad gadamuSavebuli, axal sferos unda aregulirebdes, sul sxva kompetenciebi da miznebi unda moicvas, da maSin SeiZleba Secvalo. uamravi kanoni gvaqvs saqarTveloSi, romlebic 15 welze metia muSaobs da amis gafuWeba miuRebeli iqneba piradad CemTvis. jobia, vimuSaoT sxvadasxva normatiuli aqtis daxvewasa da gaumjobesebaze, SevusruloT mosaxleobas is dapireba, rac misca xelisuflebam. drois xarjva imaSi, rac ukve gakeTebulia, araswori nabijia da calsaxad uaryofiTad Sefasdeba. martivad rom vTqva, saqarTveloSi moqmedebs uamravi mniSvnelovani kanoni, isini rogorc SevardnaZis, ise saakaSvilis da axali xelisuflebis dros aris miRebuli. raoden gasakviric ar unda iyos, komunistebis dros miRebuli ramdenime kanonic ki moqmedebs dRes. aseTia administraciul samarTaldarRvevaTa kodeqsi. imdenad kargadaa gawerili yvelaferi, arc erT mTavrobas, arc erT parlaments, arc erT periodSi Tavisi TavisTvis ar miucia ufleba, gadaewera es kanonebi. Tu amas daapirebs umaRlesi sabWo, unda vamxiloT TiToeuli mcdeloba imisa, rom moatyuon sazogadoeba, daibralon Sroma da ukve gakeTebuli axlad mogvaCvenon.
– batono petre, aWaris konstituciaze sakmao Sroma gaqvT gaweuli. ra cvlilebebis Setana igegmeba masSi?
– aWaris konstitucia aris regionis istoriaSi pirvelad miRebuli konstitucia. damoukidebeli saqarTvelos pirobebSi, pirveli konstitucia 1995 wlis 24 agvistos miiRes, xolo aWaris konstitucia 2008 wlis 20 Tebervals daamtkica saqaraTvelos parlamentma da imave wlis 20 agvistodan amoqmedda. konstituciuri samarTali memkvidreobiTobasac moiTxovs, mniSvnelovani da Zvirfasia, roca arsebobs dokumenti da grZelvadianad muSaobs. cvlilebis Setana SesaZlebelia da viciT, rom saqarTvelos konstituciaSi wlebis ganmavlobaSi uamravi cvlileba Sevida, magram Tavidan konstitucia aravis miuRia – is, 1995 wels miRebuli konstitucia, grZeldeba damatebebiTa da cvlilebebiT. vfiqrob, regionSic unda gagrZeldes cvlilebebi, magram arsebiTad araferi icvleba, Tu ar CavTvliT mTavrobis wevrebis damtkicebis procesSi centraluri saministroebis formaluri Tanxmobis amoRebas da nacvlad mTavrobis Tavmjdomarisa da mTavrobis Semadgenlobis damtkicebisa, erTianad, mTavrobis formirebis damtkicebas. amiT, vfiqrob, regionis kompetencia daknindeba. Tu, minimum, orjer eZleoda umaRles sabWos saSualeba, calke mTavrobis Tavmjdomareobis kandidatisTvis moesmina Tavis xedvebze, gamowvevebze da calke – ministrobis kandidatebisTvis, axla wina planze gadmodis mxolod mTavrobis Tavmjdomare da ministrebi, romlebsac sakmaod seriozuli da rTuli sferoebi aqvT Cabarebuli, ubralod, fonad iqnebian warmodgenilni mTavrobis damtkicebis procesSi. 2004 wlidan, roca daiwyo muSaoba umaRlesma sabWom, Zalian bevri ram gakeTda, Seiqmna axali sakanonmdeblo baza, romelic dRemde moqmedebs da uzrunvelyo is ganviTareba da winsvla, rac gvaqvs. aWaris konstituciaSic bevri rom araferi Seicvleba, es dadasturdeba im cvlilebebiT, romelsac uaxloes periodSi miiRebs saqarTvelos parlamenti. rac Seexeba veneciis komisias, arc erTi misi SeniSvna, romelic hqonda, maT Soris, aWaris statusTan dakavSirebiT 2004 wels, ar aris gaTvaliswinebuli. SeniSvnebi SeniSvnebad darCa, `fici mwams, bolo makvirvebs~, roca Cveni kolegebi saubroben, erT SemTxvevaSi, 2004 wels konstituciuri kanonis arasworobaze, bevr normasa da sakiTxze, romelic xarveziani iyo, aseve, saubroben veneciis komisiis 2004 wlis daskvnaze, realurad ki dRevandeli konstituciuri kanonis mimarTac veneciis komisiis is daskvna ar aris Sejerebuli da TanxvedraSi moyvanili. aqedan gamomdinare, vfiqrob, sworad unda gaiazron da ise miiRon gadawyvetileba. aqtiurad viqnebi CarTuli sakonstitucio procesSi, magram, rac ar unda Zala da energia daxarjon, vinc ar unda imuSaos, eqspertebi CarTon, arsebiTad veraferi Seicvleba – regioni, sakanonmdeblo da aRmasrulebeli organoebi arsebobs, is sferoebi da kompetenciebi, rac gvaqvs konstituciaSi gawerili, arsebobs, gvaqvs gerbic da droSac. arsebiTad rom araferi icvleba, amaSi Zalian male yvela darwmundeba. zog SemTxvevaSi gauaresebulic ki aris mdgomareoba. ver vxedavT cvlilebas konstituciis damtkicebis sakiTxSi. arc ori dokumenti iyo saWiro – aWaris konstitucia da aWaris avtonomiuri respublikis statusis Sesaxeb konstituciuri kanoni, razec wlebis win, opoziciaSi yofnis dros saubrobdnen dRes umravlesobaSi myofi adamianebi, ambobdnen, rom xelisuflebaSi mosvlis Semdeg gaauqmebdnen. realurad, is ori ZiriTadi moTxovna, rac hqonda arasamTavrobo seqtors, mosaxleobas, maT Soris politikur speqtrs, Seusrulebelia. aWaris konstitucia kvlav unda damtkicdes saqarTvelos parlamentSi, rac am etapisTvis, vfiqrob, amosaRebia. veneciis komisiis rekomendacia, Tundac statusis Sesaxeb kanonis gauqmebis saxiT, araa gaTvaliswinebuli. konstituciuri kanoni aWaris statusis Sesaxeb arsebobs da kvlavac iarsebebs, aWaris konstituciis damtkicebis meqanizmi ki isev saqarTvelos parlamentSs rCeba. sakanonmdeblo xelisuflebas movuwodeb, ufro swori, gonivruli gadawyvetilebebi miiRos, realobaSi dabrundes, efeqturad akontrolos regionis mTavroba, gaagrZelos intensiuri muSaoba amomrCevelTan, winaaRmdeg SemTxvevaSi, ra Tqma unda, am mowvevis umaRles sabWos bevri araferi eqneba saTqmeli. bednieri viqnebi, Tu am mowvevis sakanonmdeblo organo ukeTesi iqneba, vidre wina da imiswina, amisTvis ki formalurad kanonebis gadawera ar kmara da arc ukve miRebul kanonebze axali TariRebis miwera. vimuSaoT efeqturad cvlilebebze da im siaxleebze, rac regionis mosaxleobas pirobebs gauumjobesebs, Seuqmnis ukeTes socialur garemos, dasaqmebis saSualebas miscems adamianebs.
– rogor fiqrobT, veneciis komisiis ra SeniSvnebs gaiTvaliswineben konstituciaSi cvlilebebis Setanisas?
– `evropulma saqarTvelom~ xelmowerebis Segroveba daiwyo plebiscitis CatarebisTvis. samwuxarod, es Txovna xelisuflebam yurad ar iRo da arc apirebs amis gakeTebas. erTaderTi swori gza iyo, sakonstitucio cvlilebebze mosaxleobis xedva gagvego, imazec, ra surT, pirdapiri wesiT arCeuli prezidenti Tu saxelisuflebo gundis mier arCeuli maTi naTesavi, gundis wevri da a. S. sadavoa gaunawilebeli mandatebis pirvel adgilze gasuli partiisTvis mikuTvnebis sakiTxic. es yvelaferi unda gadawydes sazogadoebrivi azris gamokiTxviT. erTi politikuri subieqtis gadawyvetileba ver CaiTvleba legitimurad da aseTi cvlilebebi unda xorcieldebodes konsensusiT, azrTa Sejerebisa da gaziarebis gziT. is, rac dRes miviReT, aris erTi partiis mier organizebuli kampania – ganxilvebze iwvevdnen sakuTari partiis wevrebs da sajaro moxeleebs. meore mxriv, miviReT motyuebuli veneciis komisia, romelsac gaugzavnes dokumenti, ukan dabrunebis Semdeg ki igi absoluturad Secvales. roca saubaria, rom uaxloes arCevnebze gadadixar proporciul sistemaze, magram vadas wer Sors gadaweuls, es veneciis komisiis SecdomaSi Seyvanaa. komisiis xelmZRvanelma saqarTveloSi vizitisas daafiqsira, rom iyo imedgacrueba. bavSvuri TamaSia, veneciis soliduri komisia, romelic ixilavs konstitucias, saarCevno kanonmdeblobas da mniSvnelovan cvlilebebs evropis qveynebSi, moatyuo, alaparako da daskvna daadebino sxva dokumentze, ganxilvis procesSi, saqarTvelos parlamentSi Seitano saxeSecvlili varianti, romelSic TariRi gadaweulia da bevri sxva niauansia Secvlili. yvelaferi gvafiqrebinebs, rom xelisufleba ebRauWeba Zalauflebas, survili aqvs SeinarCunos skamebi saqmis keTebis gareSe. amisTvis iyenebs konstituciur umravlesobas, romelic ZiriTadad, mopovebuli aqvs maJoritaruli wesiT. es is xelisuflebaa, romelic, opoziciaSi yofnis dros, 2012 wlidan gvpirdeboda maJoritaruli, TiTqosda, kabaluri sistemis gauqmebas da proporciuli sistemis SemoRebas. rogorc Cans, (dRevandeli proeqti 2024 wlamdea), 12 welic ki ar hyofnis `qarTul ocnebas~, rom es sistema Secvalos. Aarada, wina xelisuflebas, arasruli ori mowvevis pirobebSi da maT Soris saerTaSoriso sazogadoebas eubnebodnen, rom iyo cudi saarCevno modeli. `qarTuli ocneba~, ukve ori mowveviT, maJoritari sistemiT aris mosuli, maTive surviliT 2024 welsac am sistemiT undaT Catardes arCevnebi. yvelaferi imaze mianiSnebs, rom `qarTuli ocneba~ is politikuri jgufia, romelic dRiTi dRe kargavs sazogadoebaSi reitings. saerTo jamSi, mosaxleoba mniSvnelovan nabijebs gadadgams momavali saparlamento arCevnebisas, iseve rogorc saprezidento da TviTmmarTvelobis arCevnebze da ufro met signals miscems xelisuflebas, rom usaqmurebi saTaveSi ar unda iyvnen da usaqmurobis dro saqarTveloSi erTxel da samudamod unda dasruldes.