რატომ არის საჭირო თანხმობა და ერთობა?
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mTeli msoflio gaurkvevlobaSia pandemiis gamo. gazrdili safrTxis winaSea saqarTveloc da realoba gvkarnaxobs, viyoT gonierni da frTxilni. gamowvevebs rom gavumklavdeT da gadavrCeT, qveyanaSi aucilebelia parlamentis da mTavrobis efeqturi muSaoba, es ki SeuZlebelia, Tu politikuri procesebi ar daregulirdeba, miT umetes axla, roca kars mogvadga adgilobrivi TviTmmarTvelobis arCevnebi. mainc, riTaa gamorCeuli bolo dros ganviTarebuli movlenebi, rogoria politikuri veli da ras unda velodoT samomavlod, am etapze ra aris yvelaze mniSvnelovani samoqmedo principi? am da sxva aqtualur sakiTxebze vesaubreT politolog gela iremaZes.
– bolo dros ganviTarebul movlenebze ras gvetyviT, mainc ra sakiTxebi iyo aqtualuri?
– aseTi sakmaod mravali iyo – parlamenti gamococxlda, opoziciam boikoti Sewyvita, yofilma premier-ministrma gaxariam partia Seqmna da a. S. yvelaze aqtualuri, ra Tqma unda, sakanonmdeblo organos sakiTxebi iyo. miuxedavad imisa, rom `gaerTianebulma opoziciam~ xeli ar moawera Sarl miSelis dokuments, mainc mouwiaT parlamentSi Sesvla. es mniSvnelovania qveynis demokratiuli ganviTarebisaTvis. sagulisxmoa evrokavSirisa da aSS-is saelCos CarTuloba problemebis regulirebis procesSi, swored maTi Zalisxmevis Sedegad saqarTveloSi arastabiluri politikuri garemo garkveulwilad, dalagda da partiebi, ase vTqvaT, araoficialurad saarCevno maraTonSi Caebnen.
– gverds ver avuvliT yofili premieris mier partiis dafuZnebas, ramdenad konkurentuli iqneba es partia am moaxloebul arCevnebSi?
– aSkaraa, rom politikuri partiebi aqtiuroben, imarTeba Sexvedrebi, diskusiebi, rac imas niSnavs, rom araoficialurad saarCevno maraToni daiwyo. rac Seexeba gaxarias mier partiis Seqmnas, pirdapir SeiZleba iTqvas, rom igi Seecdeba, misi partia mesame Zalad warmoaCinos, romelmac unda moaxdinos qarTuli politikuri sivrcis modernizeba, anu daasrulos orpolusiani sistema qveyanaSi, romelic aferxebs Cveni qveynis ganviTarebas. Ddiax, savsebiT SesaZlebelia gaxarias politikurma Zalam moaxdinos mesame Zalis formireba. Amas, ra Tqma unda, safrTxed aRiqvams mmarTveli partiac da `nacmoZraoba~,@ iqidan gamomdinare, rom isini Zalian komfortulad grZnoben Tavs orpolusian garemoSi, romlis dasrulebas mravali partia aanonsebda, magram faqtia, jerjerobiT Zveleburadaa – qarTuli politikis mTavari aqtorebi mmarTveli partia da `nacmoZraobaa~, moswons es vinmes Tu ara.
– vxedavT, rom mas Semdeg, rac gaxariam partia Seqmna, mis mimarT braldebebma imata. . .
– urTierTbraldebebi qarTul politikaSi araxalia. braldebebi gaxarias mimarT didi xania ismis da es mosalodneli iyo. . . vfiqrob, rom yofili premieri amisTvis mzad iyo. Tundac mmarTveli partiis xelmZRvanelis gancxadebaSi gaxariasTan mimarTebiT, rom is ar warmoadgens `qarTuli ocnebis~ saxes da ewinaaRmdegeba mmarTveli gundis interesebs, ukve igrZnoba SiSis faqtori gaxariasTan dakavSirebiT, is xom yofili premieria da bevri informacia eqneba rig politikosebsa da mraval sakiTxTan dakavSirebiT. rigma maRalCinosnebma regionebSi ukve datoves Tanamdebobebi da gadabargdnen gaxarias partiaSi.
– ramdenad Tanmimdevruli iyo opozicia Tavis qmedebebSi Tundac boikotis kuTxiT?
– opoziciuri speqtri albaT imitom ar iyo Tanmimdevruli, rom qarTveli politikosebisTvis es damaxasiaTebelia. isini mosazrebebs yovelwamierad icvlian, imis Zaxili, rom ar Sevidodnen parlamentSi, maTi mxridan absurduli iyo. faqtobrivad Tavadac darwmundnen, rom quCis manifestaciebze ver SeZles sazogadoebis mobilizeba. garda amisa, amowures TvianTi resursi da Tu gaagrZelebdnen boikotis reJims, es seriozulad daazaralebda opozicias, miT ufro, rom Cveni dasavleli partniorebi maT mouwodebdnen, Sesuliyvnen parlamentSi da iqidan daecvaT mosaxleobis interesebi.
– eqspertTa garkveuli nawili acxadebs, rom jerjerobiT politikur velze sasworis pina xelisuflebiskenaa gadaweuli, Tqveni azri amis Taobaze?
– ar vici, eqspertebi ra argumentebs eyrdnobian, magram Tamamad SeiZleba iTqvas, rom Tu adgilobriv arCevnebSi opozicia merobis erTian kandidatTan dakavSirebiT sxvadasxva qalaqSi SeTanxmebas ver SeZlebs da erTiani siis formirebac ver moxerxdeba, maSin gauWirdeba arCevnebSi mniSvnelovani Sedegis miRweva, rac mmarTvel gunds gauadvilebs arCevnebSi gamarjvebas. amave dros imis Tqmac Znelia, rom `qarTul ocnebas~ aqvs Sansi am arCevnebSi 43 procentis miRebis.
– ra gaZlevT amis Tqmis safuZvels?
– mmarTveli partia mecxre welia, rac mmarTvelobaSia da cxadia, reitingic Semcirebuli aqvs. is mxardaWera rac `ocnebas~ 2012-sa 2016 wlebSi hqonda, aRar aqvs da es araa gasakviri – arasaxarbielo ekonomikuri mdgomareoba da gauresebuli socialuri foni xelisuflebis sasargeblod ar moqmedebs. vfiqrob, rom garkveulwilad, mmarTveli partiis xmebs gaxaria waiRebs. unda iTqvas, rom xelisuflebis legitimaciis sakiTxi sakmaod dabalia, amas emateba is mZime ekonomikuri da socialuri problemebi, romelic dRes qveyanaSi aris Seqmnili.
_ arCevnebi saqarTveloSi yovelTvis daZabulad mimdinareobs, amjerad, civiluri Tu daZabuli saarCevno garemo gvelis?
_ yovel SemTxvevaSi civilur saarCevno maraTons namdvilad ar veli da Sors var im azrisgan, rom es erTi saarCevno maraToni iqneba, rogorc, magaliTad, germaniaSi, rom araferi vTqvaT, skandinaviur qveynebze, sadac zedemokratiuli arCevnebi tardeba. Mmainc vimedovneb, rom es arCevnebi gasuli wlis arCevnebTan SedarebiT ufro civilurad da demokratiuli standartebiT Catardeba.
_ opozicia ratomRac darwmunebulia, rom momaval wels riggareSe arCevnebi Catardeba, SeZlebs opozicia jamSi 58 procentis aRebas?
_ savaraudod, xelisuflebas imdeni mandati aRar eqneba, ramdeniTac dRes aris warmodgenili TviTmmarTvelobasa da parlamentSi, am mxriv unda aRiniSnos, rom is saarCevno kanonmdebloba, romelic dRes aris, mTlianad Sesacvlelia, dasaxvewia. Tqveni gazeTis mkiTxvels kargad axsovs maJoritarebis bunti saarCevno kanonmdeblobis SecvlasTan dakavSirebiT, rodesac maT am cvlilebebis ganxorcielebas, anu nulovan bariers mxari ar dauWires, maSin SeTanxmebiTvis rom mieRwiaT, es dadebiT muxts SesZenda Cvens politikur relobas da ufro dagvaaxloebda evrostruqturebTan. SegaxsenebT, rom 2024 wlisTvis gansazRvrulia prioritetad saqarTvelos gawevrianeba evrokavSirSi. ar unda dagvaviwydes, rom im droisTvis 7 weli gava asocirebis xelSekrulebaze Cveni xelmoweridan, es mniSvnelovani movlenaa saqarTvelosTvis. Cvenma qveyanam kidev araerTi moTxovna unda mivaRwioT Seasrulos evrokavSirTan dasaaxloeblad, anu unda sasamarTlo xelisuflebis damoukideblobas, saarCevno kanonmdebloba unda dauaxlovdes evropuls. aRarafers vambob imaze, rom adamianis uflebebi yovelmxriv daculi unda iyos da arCevnebma kiTxvis niSnebi ar datovos. am mxriv gasakeTebeli Zalian bevria, sazogadoebas unda hqondes imis SegrZneba, rom namdvilad cxovrobs demokratiul qveyanaSi, aqvs Tavisuflad gadaadgilebisa da azris Tavisuflad gamoxatvis SesaZlebloba da rom TiToeuli CarTulia saxelmwifos mSeneblobaSi. am mxriv mniSvnelovania rogorc aRmasrulebeli, ise sakanonmdeblo da sasamarTlo xelisuflebis mzaoba.
– xom ar fiqrobT, rom opozicia, mTavari opoziciuri partiis statusis mopovebisTvis ufro ibrZvis, vidre gamarjvebisTvis?
_ aris am kiTxvaSi simarTlis marcvali. amJamad opozicia urTierTbraldebebiT ufroa dakavebuli. ra Tqma unda, ar vambob, rom mTeli opozicia unda gaerTiandes. es ararealuria, magram opoziciis ZiriTad nawils Tu surs arCevnebSi mniSvnelovani Sedegis Cveneba, unda moaxerxos mZlavri saarCevno blokis Seqmna, winaaRmdeg SemTxvevaSi gauWirdebaT, jamSi, 58 procentis aReba.
– TiTqmis yvela partia acxadebs, rom gamoxatavs sazogadoebis interesebs, amas ramdenad adasturebs maTi programebi da ramdenad mkafiodaa maTSi gawerili qveynis ganviTareba?
– saintereso kiTxvaa. vfiqrob, rom saqarTvelos partiebis umetesobas, samwuxarod, ar aqvs mkafiod gawerili qveynis, rogorc ekonomikuri, aseve socialuri programa da teritoriuli mTlianobis aRdgenis gegma. es arc dRes arsebul xelisuflebas aqvs, rac dagvanaxa realurma viTarebam, Tundac pandemiisas da arsebulma procesebma, garkveulwilad, aqac iyo rigi kazusebi. bolo wlebis ganmavlobaSi moqmedi xelisuflebebidan saqarTvelos marTvaSi yvelaze gamorCeuli (sxvadasxva gamokiTxvam aCvena) mainc giorgi gaxarias mTavroba iyo.
– ramdenad iaqtiurebs amomrCevli am arCevnebze?
– bolo wlebis dakvirveba aCvenebs, rom xSir SemTxvevaSi, Cveni amomrCeveli moqalaqeobriv vals ar asrulebs, rac naTlad ikveTeba xolme statistikur monacemebSi. Ees, rasakvirvelia, Zalian cudia Cveni saxelmwifoebriobisTvis.
– arCevnebze armisvla visTvis aRmoCndeba xelsayreli?
– pirvel rigSi, xelisuflebisTvis iqneba momgebiani, amitom am mxriv opoziciam ufro unda iaqtiuros. mosaxleoba indiferentuli gaxda, saxelmwifoSi Seqmnili socialuri foni imdenad arasaxarbieloa, rom ara marto opozicias, aramed xelisuflebasac uWirs mosaxleobasTan urTierToba, radgan moqalaqeebi Zalian mZimed ganicdian problemebs, romlebiTac savsea maTi cxovreba. aTeuli wlebia, es problemebi mougvarebelia. miuxedavad amisa, adamianebi unda mividnen arCevnebze da Seasrulon TavianTi moqalaqeobrivi vali. amas sWirdeba masmediis meti aqtiurobac mosaxleobis dasarwmuneblad arCevanis gakeTebis aucileblobaSi.
– aranakleb sainteresoa saakaSvilis Tema, ramdenad nayofierad gamoiyenebs amas xelisufleba saarCevnod?
– vfiqrob, arsebuli xelisufleba Zalian komfortulad apelirebs am kuTxiT, aseve opoziciac kritikis reJimSia xelisuflebasTan mimarTebiT. savaraudod, saakaSvilis Temis gamoyenebas kidev cdis xelisufleba, magram sazogadoebaSi ukve veRar gaaRviveben im muxts, rac Tundac 2012 wlis arCevnebis dros iyo. mgonia, rom amjerad, saakaSvilis TemiT xelisufleba veRar isargeblebs, mosaxleobas yvelaze metad ainteresebs socialuri problemebis mogvareba, samuSao adgilebis Seqmna. . .
– dabolos, 2020 wlis arCevnebs dasavleTSi erTmniSvnelovnad dadebiTi Sefasebebi ar mohyolia, moaxloebuli adgilobrivi arCevnebi ramdenad mniSvnelovani iqneba dasavleTTan dasaaxloeblad?
– miuxedavad imisa, rom dasavleTSi negatiuri gamoxmaurebebi mohyva 2020 wlis arCevnebs, unda aRiniSnos, rom legitimaciis problema am xelisuflebas ar Seqmnia, magram moaxloebul arCevnebSi gasuli wlis arCevnebis msgavsi triukebiT Catarebas dasavleTi ar miesalmeba. amitom mmarTvelma partiam unda uzrunvelyos iseTi saarCevno garemos Seqmna, sadac sazogadoebis arCevani maqsimalurad dafiqsirdeba. rac yvelaze mTavaria, saqarTvelos momavali sazogadoebisa da politikuri partiebis Tanxmobaze gadis da ara urTierTdapirebaze, da amas rac ufro naTlad gaiazrebs Cveni sazogadoeba da politikuri speqtri, miT ukeTesi iqneba Cveni qveynisTvis.