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baTumis sakrebulos opozicioneri deputatis mirdat qamadaZis politikuri kariera 2004 wlidan iwyeba. rogorc Tavad ambobs, `vardebis revoluciaSi~ jer kidev studenti CaerTo – Tavdapirvelad dedaqalaqSi, Semdeg ki regionSi. `vardebis revoluciis~ Semdeg TiTqmis ori weli aWaris garemosa da bunebrivi resursebis dacvis sammarTveloSi iuridiuli ganyofilebis ufrosad imuSava, samsaxuri ki sakuTari surviliT datova

– mivxvdi, rom sammarTveloSi muSaoba ar iyo Cemi saqme – tyis kodeqsi ar mainteresebda. profesiulad ver gavizrdebodi da samsaxuridan wavedi. araerT cnobil da warmatebul iuridiul kompaniaSi vimuSave wlebis ganmavlobaSi da `erTian nacionalur moZraobaSi~ im dros gavwevriandi, roca partiis ofisSi misvlisas SeiZleboda kvercxebis wvimaSic ki moyoliliyavi. `qarTuli ocnebis~ xelisuflebis sagareo kursma gadamadgmevina es nabiji. vici, rom ruseTi Cemi qveynis okupantia da saerTo interesi ver meqneba organizaciebTan Tu adamianebis jgufebTan, romlebic ruseTisken ixrebian. swored sagareo kursma gadamawyvetina politikurad aqtiuri gavmxdariyavi. an arasamTavrobo organizaciidan unda mebrZola, an politikaSi wavsuliyavi. SeTavazeba `erTiani nacionaluri moZraobidan~ miviRe, davTanxmdi kidec, – ambobs mirdat qamadaZe. sakrebulos deputatma isic Tqva, rom Tavis droze `qarTuli ocnebidan~ pirdapiri SeTavazeba ar miuRia, Tumca mmarTvel gundSi bevri megobari hyavs da axali xelisuflebis sagareo kursi misTvis misaRebi rom yofiliyo, SesaZloa, dRes `qarTuli ocnebis~ wevri Tu ara, partiis mxardamWeri mainc iqneboda.
– Tqvensa da mmarTveli gundis wevr irakli patariZes Soris kamaTi 12 aprilis sxdomaze sityvier da fizikur dapirispirebaSi gadaizarda. mizezi daZvelda kidec, Tumca incidenti sazogadoebaSi interess ar kargavs, nawili mas pirad konfliqtad aRiqvams. amboben imasac, rom `nacionaluri moZraobis~ dros, roca saadvokato saqmianobiT iyaviT dakavebuli, saqmeebis umravlesobas saproceso garigebebiT asrulebdiT, rom wina xelisuflebis ukanono garigebebSi monawileobdiT, gaxseneben `Sav laqas~ warsulidan . . .
– erT faqtsac ver damisaxeleben, rom ukanono garigebebSi vmonawileobdi. amitom movuwodeb sajarod rogorc baton irakli patariZes, ise sxvebsac, Tqvan, ras gulisxmoben `Sav laqaSi~, oRond imedia, laqebis ferebs gaarCeven prozis da poeziisgan gansxvavebiT. konkretul faqtze ki konkretul pasuxs gavcem. `amiran gulSi mRerodas~ ra vupasuxo? ver vxvdebi, ra ar moswonT Cems warsulSi im xelisuflebis warmomadgenlebs, romlebic dRes murusiZes arian amofarebulebi. xalxi, vinc murusiZis gverdiT dgas da romlis saxec aris is, me meubneba, Turme murusiZis sasamarTloSi vicavdi klientebs. batoni irakli Tavis interviuSi konkretul qeisze ar saubrobs, es ki talaxis srolaa – ratom isvri, verc xsni, ar ambob saTqmels, eWvebs aCen sazogadoebaSi. normaluri sazogadoebis politikuri dRis wesrigis Semadgeneli nawilia, oponenti sajarod gaakritiko. iraklis, rogorc kolegas da Tanaqalaqels, vetyvi – vamayob imiT, rom Cemi saqmis profesionali var, kargad vasrulebdi da vasruleb Cems saqmes. erTi adamiani – Cemi dacvis qveS myofi, moiyvanon, romelic ityvis, rom arasworad moveqeci. bunebrivia, aseTi ver naxes, bevri Cemi dacvis qveS myofi dRes `qarTuli ocnebis~ mxardamWeria, Tumca aravis uTqvams msgavsi ram. amiT dasturdeba, rom Cems saqmes keTilsindisierad vasrulebdi.
– Tqvenc da iraklic ambobT, rom erTmaneTTan piradi konfliqti ar gaqvT, Tumca sazogadoeba Tqveni kamaTis momswre araerTxel gamxdara.
– qalbaton natalia zoiZesTan, baton TavmjdomaresTanac xSirad miwevs kamaTi. es politikuri dRis wesrigia, maqvs kiTxvebi sxvadasxva deputatTan, magram xazgasmiT vambob, araviTari piradi konfliqti da interesi araTu baton iraklisTan, aravisTan maqvs. xasiaTiTac ar var konfliqturi. sxdomaze warmodgenili sakiTxis gamo SeiZleba uceb vfeTqdebode, emociuri viyo, magram es ar niSnavs, rom vinmes pirovnulad verCi. im dRes, 12 aprils, SeiZleba, sxva Cems adgilas nawyeni darCeniliyo, magram rogorc ki sakrebulos darbazis kars gadmovabije, yvelaferi daviviwye da Cveulebrivad vagrZeleb urTierTobas kolegebTan. Cemi da iraklis kamaTi Tu sazogadoebaSi pirovnuli konfliqtis STabeWdilebas tovebs, cudia da am kuTxiT sakuTar Tavze vimuSaveb.
– mmarTvel gundSi acxadeben, rom opozicia sakrebulos muSaobaSi ar monawileobs, ar eswrebiT biuros da komisiis sxdomebs, sakrebulos sxdomebze ki mxolod televiziebTan sakeklucod dadixarT . . .
– xelisuflebam raRac xom unda Tqvas. protestis niSnad sxdomebs rom vtovebT, televizia gamodis da intervius gvarTmevs, rac sulac ar niSnavs mediasTan keklucs. rac Seexeba biuros da komisiis sxdomebs, sajaro gancxadeba gavakeTe da gavimeoreb kidev erTxel – ar daveswrebi. komisiac da biuroc formalobisTvis tardeba. is, rom sakiTxs ar kiTxuloben, im sxdomazec gamoCnda. ganaTlebis saministrodan oficialuri daskvna hqondaT miRebuli, es daskvna erT adamians mainc rom waekiTxa, uxerxuloba ar SeeqmnebodaT. kanoniT gansazRvrulia, Tu sakiTxebi komisiaze ar gavida, dRis wesrigSi ver Seitanen da sakrebulos sxdomazec ar gava. am formalobis gamo atareben komisiis sxdomebs. biuros sxdomebi zustad erT wuTs grZeldeba.A ar davdivar biuros da komisiis sxdomebze imitom, rom proceduruli demokratia sWirdebaT, rac ar aris Cemi saqme. Tu Secvlian muSaobis stils, SeZleben opoziciis mosmenas, kanons ar daarRveven, ar SemzRudaven, Seitanen Cvens inicirebul sakiTxebs dRis wesrigSi, maSin biurozec mival da komisiazec. ar mivedi komisiis sxdomaze da terenti granelis SemTxvevaSi uxerxul mdgomareobaSi aRmoCndnen.
– anu, Tqven rom daswrebodiT komisiis sxdomas, teqnikuri Secdoma ar gaipareboda?
– raki es Tema dRemde aqtualuria, vityvi, rom ar iyo teqnikuri Secdoma. Tavdapirvelad mec ase megona, momxsenebelmac igive gaimeora. erTi wuTiT vifiqre, adamianma instinqturad waikiTxa is, rac ganmartebiT baraTSi weria-meTqi. ganmartebiTi baraTi oficialuri dokumentia da mis gareSe dadgenilebas ver miiReb. Zalian uwyinari kiTxva davsvi, naxevrad xumrobiT – erTi prozauli nawarmoebi damisaxeleT terenti granelis-meTqi. Tavmjdomarem seriozuli saxiT Semomxeda da mipasuxa – ra kiTxvas svam, rogor SeiZleba yvelaferi zepirad axsovdes adamianso. mivxvdi, saqme rTulad iyo da isev vikiTxe: vis udgamT Zegls, poets Tu prozaikoss? araTu momxsenebeli, mmarTveli gundidan yvela gaCumda. Tavmjdomaris moadgilem Tqva, teqnikuri Secdoma unda iyoso. Tu Secdomaa, gavasworoT da Tu marTla ggoniaT prozaikosi iyo, maSin unda wamakiTxoT granelis prozauli nawarmoebi-meTqi. amas mohyva agresia.
– mmarTveli gundis nepotizmzec mudmivad saubrobT. sazogadoeba svams kiTxvas – wina xelisuflebaSi ar iyo nepotizmi? ise, wina xelisuflebasTan daaxloebuli pirebi, naTesav-megobrebi dRemde muSaoben im uwyebebSi, saidanac Tqven informacias iTxovT.
– zogadad, qveyanaa patara, miT ufro – Cveni qalaqi da viRac viRacis naTesavi rom aris, es sulac araa gasakviri. arc maRali xelfasebia problema, piriqiT, profesionals, romelic Sromobs, maRali anazRaurebac unda hqondes. komunisturi mentaliteti unda amovigdoT Tavidan. maRali xelfasi kargia. Tumca, roca wamyvani specialisti, aTjer met saqmes akeTebs, vidre Tanamdebobis piri, mas xelfasi unda gauzardon. meriis daqvemdebarebul uwyebebSi `qarTuli ocnebis~ wevris an Tanamdebobis piris naTesavis muSaobac ar aris problema. naTesaobis gamo ar SeiZleba adamiani daiCagros, yvelam unda SeZlos sakuTari Tavis realizeba. nepotizmia is, roca Tanamdebobis piris pirdapir daqvemdebarebul uwyebebSi muSaoben naTesavebi da sakiTxavia isic, Tu rodis daiwyes muSaoba. daudasturebeli informaciaa, xazgasmiT vTqvi kidec, xmebi dadis qalaqSi, rom meriis daqvemdebarebul uwyebebSi nepotizmi SeiniSneba. TavianTi qcevebiT ki eWvebs aRrmaveben. roca sakrebulos Tavmjdomare an qalaqis meri gaxdi da am gavleniT ar migiyvania Seni axloblebi Sens daqvemdebarebul uwyebebSi, maSin ra problemaa, mogvawodon informacia. xolo Tanamdebobis pirebis axloblebi da naTesavebi sxva uwyebebSi Tu muSaoben, es ar SeiZleba nepotizmad CavTvaloT. nepotizmi wina xelisuflebis drosac iyo SeiZleba, magram Tu ganviTarebadi dinamika gvaqvs, Secdomebis gamosworebaze unda vimuSaoT da Tu piriqiT, ukudinamikiT mivdivarT, es ukve problemaa. 2012 wels xom imitom moiges arCevnebi, rom wina xelisufleba Secdomebs uSvebda? dRes maqvs kiTxva, ras mTavazoben ukeTess?
– batono mirdat, eqspertebis nawili fiqrobs, rom xelisuflebisTvis mTavar oponentad `erTiani nacionaluri moZraoba~ misaRebia da gamoricxaven mesame Zalis Seqmnas, rac, maTive mosazrebiT, SesaZloa, xelisuflebas arc ki aZlevdes xels . . .
– saintereso kiTxvaa, Tumca aseT mosazrebas ar veTanxmebi. politikaSi SeuZlebelia xelovnurad Zalebis Seqmna, iqneba es mesame Tu meSvide. biZina ivaniSvilma ramdenjer scada opoziciis Seqmna – inaSvili, burjanaZe, usufaSvilic wavida mmarTveli gundidan. axla daviT maRraZe gamoCnda da yvelam icis, rom es biZina ivaniSvilis TamaSia erTi-erTSi. yvelaze metad amomrCeveli gverdidan xedavs im problemebs, rac ama Tu im partias aqvs da reagirebs kidec. sazogadoeba `daicavi saqarTvelosTan~ mimarTebaSi biZina ivaniSvilis xels xedavs. SeuZlebelia isic, rom xelisuflebas xels aZlevdes, `nacionaluri moZraoba~ iyos misi mTavari oponenti. amomrCevlis, sazogadoebis moTxovnaa, mTavari opoziciuri Zala `nacionaluri moZraoba~ iyos.
– daviT gareji – sakiTxi, romelic komunistebis periodidan moyolebuli verc erTma xelisufalma ver moagvara Cveni qveynis sasargeblod. socialuri qselic antiazerbaijanulma isteriam moicva. mweralma irakli kakabaZem yizilbaSebadac ki moixsenia isini.
– xelisuflebas sagareo mimarTulebiT, maT Soris azerbaijanTan, romelTanac normaluri urTierToba gvaqvs, TanamSromlobis da momavali urTierTobis xedva ar gaaCnia, amis naTeli magaliTia daviT garejis sakiTxic. prezidenti gveubneba, rom ruseTTan mimarTebaSi frTxilad unda viyoT da amerikuli jarebi ar unda SemoviyvanoT, rac araTanmimdevruli gancxadebaa, vinaidan ruseTi mcocavi okupaciiT moiwevs Cvenken. sadac principuloba gvmarTebs, iq ar viCenT da sadac sifrTxiliT unda movekidoT sakiTxs, davsxdeT dialogis magidasTan, Tundac erTi-erTze da sakiTxi erTxel da samudamod gadavWraT, sazRvari or saxelmwifos Soris zustad gavavloT, amaze vimuSaoT. arada, vakeTebT imas, rom yizilbaSebs veZaxiT. mama iobis gancxadeba movismine – sisxli daiRvrebao, Tqva. Cven Tanamegobroba unda daviyenoT gverdiT, sanqciebs SevuerTdeT, maT Soris ruseTis winaaRmdeg, magram principulobas ver viCenT. erTi problema gvaqvs, rac komunisturma periodma dagvitova, istoriul mexsierebaSia albaT CarCenili – Cemi da Tqveni Taoba ise gavizardeT, saqarTvelos realur istorias ar gvaswavlidnen, ssrk-is daweril istorias vswavlobdiT, rom arabebs, iranelebs Cveni miwebis warTmeva surdaT, muslimanebi Cveni mtrebi arian. Tu davakvirdebiT, aravis uxsenebia, rom qarTuli miwa ar unda mivyidoT frangebs, Sveicarielebs, ingliselebs imitom, rom maT mimarT ar gaqvs protesti. raki azerbaijania, pirdapir yizilbaSebi davuZaxeT, maSin roca rusebTan mimarTebaSi aseTi ram ar gagvikeTebia. Tu Cvens saxelmwifos safrTxe emuqreba, Seuvali unda viyoT, magram Seuvaloba ar niSnavs yizilbaSi dauZaxo, unda dajde molaparakebis magidasTan, saprotesto nota gaagzavnos Cveni qveynis elCma, unda mivides alievTan da daelaparakos, aqac unda daibaron azerbaijanis elCi da pasuxi mosTxovon.
– mosamarTleebis uvado daniSvnaze ras fiqrobT?
– mosamarTleebis uvado daniSvnaSi problemas ver vxedav. erTgvari socialuri garantiac ki aris. man icis, rom uvadodaa daniSnuli da xval veravin gaaTavisuflebs, rac mis damoukideblobas uwyobs xels. xelfasic Tu maRali eqneba mosamarTles, mivesalmebi, esec zrdis damoukideblobis xarisxs. saboloo jamSi, 2012 wels `nacionalurma moZraobam~, rom CavuRrmavdeT, arCevnebi waago imitom, rom ar hqonda damoukidebeli sasamarTlo.
– ras gulisxmobT?
– imas, rom sasamarTloSi korufcia ar iyo, kerZo pirebs Soris davac gamWvirvale iyo da sasamarTloc samarTliani, magram sakmarisi iyo saxelmwifos interesi gamoCeniliyo da ukve ver iyo damoukidebeli. Tu realurad gveqneboda damoukidebeli sasamarTlo, yvelasgan da yvelafrisgan damoukidebeli, Tu adamiani wavidoda da samarTals ipovida, usamarTlobis gancdac ar gauCndeboda. Tu gvinda gvqondes kargi sasamarTlo, yvela erTad unda SevTanxmdeT misaReb modelze. xelisufleba ki ras gvTavazobs? opoziciaSi yofnisas ambobdnen, rogor SeiZleba im qveyanaSi cxovreba, sadac murusiZis sasamarTlo gvaqvso. arCevnebic wina xelisuflebas aman waagebina. murusiZeze gadatyda yvelaferi da dRes gveubnebian, rom murusiZe kargi kacia, maSin cudi iyo da axla kargi gaxda, saxe icvalao. amiT biZina ivaniSvilma Tqva, rom roca moisurvebs da rasac moisurvebs, imas gaakeTebinebs murusiZes. Tu es adamiani `nacionaluri moZraobis~ xelisuflebis zewolas ver uZlebda da iqceoda usamarTlod, gvaqvs ki garantia, rom dRes ivaniSvilis neba-survils ar aRasrulebs? mivediT im daskvnamde, rom rogori wesiTac ar unda daniSno mosamarTle, sadac wamyvani Zala murusiZis xelSia, SeuZlebelia sasamarTlo damoukidebeli iyos. xelisuflebas SevTavazeT uzenaes sasamarTloSi ucxoeli mosamarTleebis Semoyvana, romlebsac arc biZaSvilebi hyavT aq da arc mamidaSvilebi, arc aranairi piradi interesi. albaToba imisa, rom isini gavlenis qveS moeqcevian, mcirea.
– Sualedur arCevnebze ras fiqrobT?
– es aris mniSvnelovani arCevnebi. xulosa da zugdidSi Cven mogebis didi Sansi gvaqvs. `qarTuli ocnebis~ dasasrulis dasawyisic civiluri unda iyos. arCevnebs xan moigeb, xan waageb. amiT arc iwyeba da arc mTavrdeba sicocxle.