„თეატრი არის ადგილი, საიდანაც ყველაზე ხმამაღლა უნდა საუბრობდნენ პრობლემებზე“
baTumis ilia WavWavaZis saxelobis dramatuli Teatris axalgazrda, niWieri reJisori salome jijavaZe gansakuTrebuli SemoqmedebiTi energiiTa da individualuri reJisoruli xedviT gamoirCeva. mis mier dadgmuli speqtaklebi – `kedeli~, `sami asuli~ da `zRvarze~ – mayurebelma gansakuTrebulad miiRo da Seiyvara. misi scenuri gadawyvetebi yovelTvis Rrmad emociuria. igi xSirad im Temebze gvesaubreba, romlebic Tanamedrove sazogadoebas yvelaze metad aRelvebs – piradi uTierTobebi, pirovnuli sazRvrebis gadalaxva da sxva.
rogor ibadeba salomes ideebi, ras niSnavs misTvis reJisura da ras SeiZleba velodoT am reJisorisgan momavalSi – am SekiTxvebze Tavad gvipasuxebs.
– salome, rodis da rogor mixvdiT, rom Teatri iyo Tqveni gza? iyo Tu ara konkretuli momenti, romelmac es gadawyvetileba gansazRvra?
– Cems SemTxvevaSi imis gaanalizeba, rom Teatri Cemi gzaa, bavSvobidan iwyeba. 12 wlis asakSi daviwye piesebis wera, Tumca maSin namdvilad ar mqonda gadawyvetili, rom konkretulad Teatri iqneboda is adgili, sadac Cemi Canawerebi ganxorcieldeboda. es procesi jer gauazreblad, mere ki, asakTan erTad, ukve gaazrebulad warimarTa. am gzis dasawyisad ki SeiZleba CaiTvalos Cemi dawerili piesis scenaze pirvelad gacocxleba.
– rogori gamowvevebi SegxvdaT, rogorc axalgazrda qal reJisors, Tanamedrove Teatralur sivrceSi?
– rom giTxraT, rogorc qal reJisors, raime gansakuTrebuli gamowvevebi Semxvda-meTqi, mogatyuebT. xelovnebaSi sqess Cemi azriT, gadamwyveti mniSvneloba ar aqvs, rogorc sxva bevr sferoSi. mTavaria, sakuTari Tavis da SesaZleblobebis gwamdes, mudam viTardebode da akeTebde imas, rac giyvars. sxva yvelaferi umniSvneloa.
– gyavdaT Tu ara mentori an adamiani, romelmac profesiulad didi gavlena moaxdina Tqvenze?
– mentorebis gareSe albaT dRes ver viqnebodi is, vinc var. adamiani, romelmac bavSvobidan Semayvara Teatri da Tavis droze yvela Cemi Canafiqri sworad amasrulebina, nina gogoliSvilia. es is adamiania, romelTanac pirvelad gavixseni, gavuziare Cemi azrebi, fiqrebi da rac yvelaze mniSvnelovani iyo, Cemi Canawerebi. ninas daxmarebiT bavSvobaSi ori speqtakli davdgi, pirveli – Tojinebis TeatrSi, 14 wlis asakSi, meore – dramatul TeatrSi, 16 wlis asakSi. ninam gadamawyvetina da momca stimuli, rom reJisuraze Camebarebina. Cemo sayvarelo, arasodes arafris SegeSindeso, – meubneboda. asec moxda, Cavabare da Cemi pedagogis, vano xuciSvilis daxmarebiT, ukeT gavicani Teatri. man bevri ram, profesiuli kuTxiT, sxva TvaliT damanaxa da Semayvara. maswavla yvelaze mTavari – saqmisadmi didi siyvaruli da Tavdauzogavi Sroma, maswavla midgoma saqmisadmi, is, rom scenaze mniSvnelovani yovelTvis aris msaxiobi da isic, rom adamiani da misi problemebis kvleva unda iyos reJisoris upirvelesi amocana, vinaidan adamianis fenomeni yvela drois yvelaze aqtualuri Temaa. vanosTan muSaoba xangrZlivi, sasiamovno da SemecnebiTi procesi iyo. universitetis damTavrebis da damoukidebeli speqtaklis dadgmis Semdeg, adamiani, romelmac CemSi potenciali, profesiisadmi siyvaruli dainaxa da baTumis Teatris karebi gamixsna, aris aleqsandre (nukri) qanTaria. Tamamad SemiZlia vTqva, rom mis gareSe, albaT, araferi gamomividoda. is adamiania, romlisganac udides gamocdilebasa da masterklasebs viReb. Teatris im siRrmeebSi Camaxeda, sadamde miRwevis saSualebac yvelas ar eZleva. man axalgazrda reJisors momca Tavisufleba, rac yvelaze mTavaria. is Zalian kargi pedagogia da masTan yoveli dialogi CemTvis didi gakveTilia. zemoT xsenebuli adamianebi rom ara, albaT, namvilad sxvanairad warimarTeboda Cemi cxovreba. Zalian mniSvnelovania, swor dros konkretuli adamianebi Segvxdnen cxovrebaSi da dainaxon CvenSi is, rac gvinda, rom Candes.
– rogoria Tqveni samuSao stili, ramdenad mkacri xarT msaxiobebTan?
– amaze albaT, ufro kargad msaxiobebi gipasuxeben, Tumca SemiZlia vTqva, rom yovelTvis vcdilob, bolomde da maqsimalurad mzad mqondes idea – ra da rogor minda ganvaxorcielo. Cemi azriT, es yvelaze mTavaria. roca ici, ra ginda, mere yvelaferi TiTqos ufro martivia. msaxiobs aucileblad unda daajero Seni idea, gaagebino – ratom irCev am konkretul formas, misi xorcSesxma ki ra Tqma unda, erTad unda SeZloT, magram mTavari RerZi yovelTvis reJisorzea damokidebuli. mas yvela kiTxvaze unda hqondes pasuxi.
– TqvenTvis kritikosTa aRiareba ufro mniSvnelovania, Tu mayureblis emociuri reaqcia?
– orive Zalian mniSvnelovania. erTmaneTis gareSe warmoudgenelic mgonia. ar SeiZleba, raime saqmes emsaxurebode da ar gqondes jansaRi kritikis miRebis unari. ubralod, jansaRi kritika Zalian iSviaTia. aq, xSir SemTxvevaSi, kritika pirad interesebs efuZneba. mZime situaciaa… iSviaTad gamigonia profesiuli kritika. profesiulad verasodes gaizrdebi Tu sxvisi azri ar miiRe da ar gaiazre. mayureblis emocia albaT upirvelesia, radgan is ganapirobebs, iqneba Tu ara speqtakli warmatebuli. mayureblis taSi erTgvarad, krtikis nawilicaa, xvdebi, gamovida Tu ara is, razec muSaobdi.
– TvliT, rom Teatri sakuTari Semoqmedebis gamoxatvis sivrcea?
– Teatri aucileblad piradi gamoxatvis sivrcea. sxvanairad verc ki warmomidgenia. zogadad, xelovnebas CarCoebi ar unda gaaCndes. rogorc ki xelovans CarCoebs dauweseben, is kargavs yvelaze mTavars – Tavisuflebas. Semoqmedeba, romelic izRudeba, kargi verasodes gamova.
– Tqvens speqtaklebs mayureblisgan didi mowoneba xvda wilad, rogor SearCieT TiToeuli maTgani?
– `kedelis~ dadgmaze didxans vfiqrobdi da mindoda. piesa wavikiTxe Tu ara, ukve vicodi, rom mxolod msaxiobebs – meri nakaSiZes da mamuka manjgalaZes unda esaubraT am Temaze scenidan. ori weli velodebodi. . . vera da ver movaxerxeT dawyeba. CemTvis mniSvnelovani iyo – scenaze wyvilis problemebze swored wyvils esaubra da maT Soris dagrovebuli uTqmeli saTqmeli piesis saSualebiT gaJRerebuliyo. mgoni, gamogvivida da am speqtakliT bevr adamians gavuCineT urTierTobaSi dialogis dawyebis survili. `sami asulis~ SemTxvevaSi cota rTulad iyo saqme. piesa wavikiTxe Tu ara, dadgmis survili namdvilad ar gamCenia, magram vicodi, rom mivubrundebodi. Zalian rTuli momeCvena konkretuli piesisgan raime ambis gacocxleba, Tumca bolo gadakiTxvisas mivxvdi, rom aucileblad Sevecdebodi dadgmas. lamis premieramde ar mjeroda, gamovidoda Tu ara is, rac Cafiqrebuli mqonda, radgan Zalian rTuli masala iyo. sabolood, yvelaferi ise gamovida, rogorc mqonda Cafiqrebuli da mayurebelTan swori mesiji mivida. eseTi simbolisturi piesebis arCevisas yovelTvis SesaZlebelia, mayurebelma ver miiRos saTanadod, Tumca `sami asulis~ SemTxvevaSi ase namdvilad ar momxdara, rac Zalian maxarebs. `zRvarze~ didxans ar mifiqria. wavikiTxe Tu ara, gonebaSi ukve araerTi scena davdgi. vfiqrob, guga mgelaZes Zalian kargad aqvs aRwerili qarTveli col-qmris yofa da problemebi. es gaxda mizezi, mayureblisTvis migveca saSualeba, sarkeSi Caexeda da daenaxa is problemebi, romlebic Zalian aqtualuria da Cven irgvliv bevria.
– yvela es speqtakli TiTqos raRac barierze, Sinagan an socialur zRvarze gvesaubreba, es Tematuri kavSiri Segnebuli iyo?
– samive speqtakli gaTvlilia mxolod imaze, rom mayurebels vesaubroT da mkafiod davanaxoT yvela is problema, romlebic dRes irgvlivaa. Cemi azriT, Teatri aris adgili, saidanac yvelaze xmamaRla unda saubrobdnen problemebze.
– romel speqtaklze muSaoba iyo yvelaze didi gamowveva da ratom?
– yvelaze rTuli `sam asulze~ muSaoba iyo. es iyo Cemi pirveli speqtakli, rogorc TeatrSi momuSave adamianis. CemTvis Zalian sapasuxismgeblo da didi gamowveva iyo, risic meSinoda. rTulad meCveneboda, msaxiobebisTvis damejerebina yvelaferi, risi gakeTebac mindoda. procesi Zalian saintereso aRmoCnda da amisTvis madloba Cems sayvarel msaxiobebs, aseve, mTel SemoqmedebiT jgufs. yvelaferSi bolomde gamomyvnen da sjerodaT, rom gamovidoda. speqtakliT `sami asuli~ bevr rameze gavimarjveT Cven, yvelam.
– rogoria Tqveni SemoqmedebiTi procesi – ras eyrdnobiT piesis SerCevisas?
– piesis arCevisas mxolod Cems grZnobebs veyrdnobi. mgonia, rom guls unda Seexos raRac Temebi, sxvagvarad albaT arc ki Rirs muSaobis dawyeba.
– Tu aris Tema an istoria, romelic ukve karga xania gawuxebT, magram jer ar xarT mzad, scenaze gadaitanoT?
– vfiqrob, yvela reJisors aqvs Tema, romelic mas yvelaze metad awuxebs da romlis gamokvleva da analizi gansakuTrebulad ainteresebs. ra Tqma unda, mec maqvs. vfiqrob, Zalian mniSvnelovania, gqondes mizani, riskenac nel-nela miiswrafvi. raRacebiT unda Seivso adamiani, rom mere xmamaRla da Tamamad SeZlo saubari.
– ra rCevas miscemT axalgazrda reJisorebs, romlebic axla dgamen pirvel nabijebs?
– vTvli, rom mec axla viwyeb am gzaze myarad siaruls da albaT, sakuTar Tavsac da yvela axalgazrda reJisors vurCevdi, uyvardeT TavianTi saqme da araferi daiSuron miznebis misaRwevad, ar SeuSindnen axal gamowvevebs da myarad idgnen TavianT poziciebze, radgan Teatri aris sivrce, sadac Tu SeamCnies, rom myarad ar dgaxar, aucileblad gamonaxaven gzas da Sens waqcevas ecdebian.
– sad xedavT Tavs 5 an 10 wlis Semdeg?
– isev xelovnebaSi, ra Tqma unda, isev TeatrSi, Tumca bevrad ufro gazrdils da ganviTarebuls.
– gegmavT Tu ara momavalSi saavtoro piesebis dadgmas an eqsperimentebs?
– saavtoro piesis dadgmaze jer ar vfiqrob. ratomRac mgonia, rom is saqme unda akeTo, rac ufro kargad gamogdis. weraze metad, mgonia, rom dadgma gamomdis. amitom gavagrZeleb am gzas.
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