„საპარლამენტო არჩევნებს ჰქონდა მთავარი პრობლემა, რომელსაც „ოცნებაც“ არ უარყოფს. . .“
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saqarTveloSi arCevnebis dasrulebis Semdeg movlenebi yvelasTvis ukve kargad nacnobi scenariT viTardeba – imarTeba saprotesto aqciebi, sakanonmdeblo organoebSi arCeul opozicioner deputatebs ki jer kidev ar gadauwyvetiaT, Sevlen Tu ara parlamentsa da aWaris umaRles sabWoSi, arada, umravlesobam ukve cno maTi sadeputato uflebamosileba orive organoSi da sruliadac ar iwuxebs Tavs imaze fiqriT, ra moxdeba xval, Tuki opozicia, sabolood, mainc gadawyvets, gancxadebebiT mimarTos parlamentsa da umaRlesi sabWos Tavmjdomareebs mandatebis gauqmebasTan dakavSirebiT.
26 noembers, axali mowvevis umaRlesi sabWos pirveli sxdomis paralelurad, regionis sakanonmdeblo organosTan moqalaqeebi Seikribnen. isini arCevnebis Sedegebs aprotestebdnen da xelaxali arCevnebis Catarebas iTxovdnen. aqciis monawileebis gancxadebiT, meeqvse mowvevis umaRlesi sabWo aralegitimuria, iseve, rogorc parlamenti. isini xelisuflebas arCevnebis gayalbebaSi adanaSauleben. Sekrebil studentebs, moqalaqeebsa da arasamTavrobo organizaciebis nawils umaRlesi sabWos is opozicioneri deputatebic SeuerTdnen, romlebic apireben siebis Caxsnas da mandatebze uaris Tqmas.
gTavazobT intervius aWaraSi `erTiani nacionaluri moZraobis~ aqtivistTan, amJamad politikuri gaerTianeba `axalis~ politsabWos wevr mirdat qamadaZesTan, romelic aRniSnuli koaliciidan airCies aWaris umaRlesi sabWos deputatad.
– batono mirdat, daviwyoT arCevnebiT. . .
– me mgoni, aRaravis epareba eWvi, ara marto CvenTan, mTel msoflioSic ki, rom 26 oqtombris saparlamento arCevnebs hqonda erT-erTi mTavari da TvalsaCino problema, romelsac `ocnebac~ ar uaryofs, kerZod, farulobis principi iyo darRveuli. Cveni qveynis konstituciaSi SaviT TeTrzea gawerili: arCevnebi unda iyos sayovelTao da faruli. gasagebia, ratom dasWirda mTavrobas arCevnebis ase Riad Catareba. am dros martivia amomrCevlis nebis kontroli. amasTan, wina arCevnebze Cven warvudgineT sazogadoebas, Tu rogor muSaobs da ra gzebiT axdens zewolas amomrCevlebze sus-i. amas daemata arCevnebis Riad Catareba, amdenad, SeuZlebelia, am arCevnebs raime saerTo hqondes demokratiasa da konstituciasTan. Sesabamisad, es aris mTavari xazi, ris gamoc am qveyanaSi unda dainiSnos xelaxali arCevnebi.
– rodesac ambobT, rom `qarTuli ocnebis~ warmomadgenlebic eTanxmebian farulobis principis darRvevas, ras gulisxmobT?
– biuleteni rom Jonavda, es yvelam SeamCnia, darwmunebuli var – Tqvenc. saarCevno komisiis Tavmjdomarem xom Tqva, am gaJonvas nu gadamayoleTo.
– principSi iq xom ar Canda, romel partias miveciT xma?
– ho, magram Zalian martivi iyo gamocnoba: Tu bolos gamoJonavda, 41-sTvis migiciaT, xolo Tu cota zemoT – opoziciisTvis. amaze xom aravin davobs?!
– batono mirdat, meeWveba, rom Tqvens eleqtorats gaJonili laqebis adgilmdebareobis SeSineboda, adamianma rac unda dagabraloT, simxdales ver mogaweren, Tqveni momxreebi laqebis gareSec xmamaRla acxadeben, vis misces xma. . .
– ki, bevria, visac ar eSinia da vinc Riad mogvca xma, magram Cven viciT, rom am qveyanaSi sajaro moxeleebis didi nawili gvaZlevda xmas. garda amisa, gvyavs momxreebi, romlebic kontrols winaaRmdegobas ver uweven, magram aq xom „eSinia-ar eSiniaze“ ar dgas sakiTxi, yurdReba sxvas unda mieqces da minda Jurnalistebsac gTxovoT, swori aqcentebi gaakeToT, kerZod, faruloba – mTavari principi dairRva da sxva raRaze vsaubrobT, ver gavige. Sesabamisad, rodesac arCevnebSi konstituciiT gawerili mTavari principi ugulebelyves, amis Semdeg sxva mtkicebulebebis Zebnac ki ar aris marTebuli, radgan xelisgulze devs upirvelesi da umniSvnelovanesi sakiTxi – konstituciaa darRveuli, Sesabamisad, qveynis krizisidan gamosayvanad da viTarebis gansamuxtad unda Catardes xelaxali arCevnebi.
– umravlesoba Tvlis, rom `erTiani nacionaluri moZraobis~ rRvevamac ganapiroba amomrCevlis dabneuloba. mainc ra moxda, am kuTxiT viTarebis ganxilvaze ar gifiqriaT?
– mTeli am xnis ganmavlobaSi razec gesaubreT – is moxda. isev da isev farulobis principis darRvevas vubrundebiT, xolo `erTiani nacionaluri moZraobis~ daSla-rRveva-dabneva zRaprebia, riTac `qarTuli ocneba~ Tavs imarTlebs. Temas cvlian, undaT `ganmarton~, sad wavida Cveni xmebi, magram imdenad alogikuria es yvelaferi, rom aRaravis sjera. . . amasTan, Cvens eleqtoratSi vin daibna da vin daikarga, amaze dards da wuxils, umjobesia `ocnebas~, gvipasuxos, ratom iyo arCevnebi Ria da ratom dairRva konstitucia. danarCeni, es beletristika, ar gvainteresebs.
– aqve SegaxsenebT winasaarCevno kampanias, romlis drosac rogorc Tqveni oponentebi amtkiceben, ar aqtiurobdiT municipalitetebSi.
– Tqven aSuqebdiT winasaarCevno kampanias? Mgoni, ara, radgan winaaRmdeg SemTxvevaSi, gecodinebodaT, rom Zalianac vaqtiurobdiT, vatarebdiT mravalricxovan Sexvedrebs Cvens momxreebTan da aRsaniSnavia, rom yvela didi interesiT ekideboda CvenTan saubrebs. amaSia saqme, igoneben imas, rac awyobT, imedi aqvT, rom aravin gadaamowmebs da asecaa, arada, dRes es ar aris rTuli, visac surs, martivad amoiRebs sainformacioebidan Tu socialuri qselebidan mTeli Cveni winasaarCevno kampaniis mimdinareobis process. . . anu xelisufleba Cven magivrad eZebs Cveni dakarguli xmebis e.w. logikur axsnas da legendebs Txzavs, mzrunveli mentoriviT yvelafers ambobs, imis garda, rac sinamdvileSi moxda. TeTrze Savs Semoagdebs, TiTqos Sexvedrebs ar vatarebdiT, amomrCeveli davabnieT, araswori strategia SegvimuSavebia da sxva. . . imaze ki arafers ambobs, demokratiis mTvari principi rom daarRvia iman, vinc pasuxismgebeli iyo arCevnebis farulad Catarebaze. . . amaze gagvces xelisuflebam pasuxi, danarCens – dabneul Tu Sexvedrebis gareT darCenil sakuTar momxreebs Tavad mivxedavT, Cveni saqmea. . .
– umaRles sabWoSi Sesvlas Tu apirebT? zogierTi ukve wers gancxadebas deputatobis mandatis dasatoveblad. . .
– yvelafers gavakeTebT Tanmimdevrulad, nabij-nabij, rac emsaxureba imas, rom aralegitimuri arCevnebis legitimacia ar moxdes. Cvengan yvela aucilebeli procedura iqneba daculi.
– ramdenad marTebulad migaCniaT, ar gamoiyenoT amomrCevlis mier delegirebuli deputatis mandati sakanonmdeblo organoSi sakuTari poziciis dasafiqsireblad?
– deputatis mandatis legitimacia unda moxdes mxolod da mxolod im SemTxvevaSi, rodesac arCevnebi tardeba konstituciiT gansazRvrul CarCoebSi. kabinetSi roca wydeba, vis ramdeni mandati unda uwiladon, aseT mandatTan saerTo araferi maqvs piradad me… amaze mxolod me xom ara, mTeli msoflio saubrobs. saxelmwifos damoukideblobis 33-wliani arsebobis ganmavlobaSi pirvelad ar aRiarebs arCevnebs saerTaSoriso Tanamegobroba, raSia saqme? amomrCevels ar SevxvdiT, eg aris axsna-ganmarteba?! swori aqcentebi gavakeToT, es aris Cveni moTxovna!
– ra migaCniaT swor aqcentebad?
– isev da isev farulobis principis da rRvevis safuZvelze samomavlo nabijebis gansazRvra. ras vapirebT, unda gavagrZeloT cxovreba Cveuli ritmiT, vaRiaroT aralegitimuri arCevnebi, romelsac civilizebuli msoflio ar aRiarebs! Tu gvinda dasavleTSi integracia, maSin gza ara izolaciisken, aramed xelaxali demokratiuli arCevnebisken unda gavagrZeloT da Tu am qveyanaSi arCevnebi Catardeba Riad, gamWvirvaled da upasuxebs demokratiuli principebiT gaTvlil yvela standarts ise, rom kiTxvis niSnebi aravis darCeba, igive Sedegis SemTxvevaSi, me Riad da sajarod gamoval, mivulocav oponents imis miuxedavad, ra azrze iqnebian sxva opoziciuri partiebi. igives movTxov `qarTul ocnebasac~ – Tu damarcxdeba samarTlian arCevnebSi, xelisufleba gamarjvebuls gadaabaros. yvelaferi zemoT aRniSnuli demokratiuli procesis nawilia da misi standartebis zedmiwevniT dacva Cven, politikuri partiebis warmomadgenlebs gvevaleba eris da qveynis winaSe. es aris mTavari aqcenti, razec unda vfokusirdeT sazogadoeba da ara imaze, rom viRac gaugebari xalxi Seikriba, raRacis uflebamosileba cno da a.S. es meorexarisxovania am wuTas… CemTvis mniSvnelovania am qveynis prestiJi, radganac Cveni megobari qveynebis liderebi, Cveni partniorebi, civilizebuli samyaros warmomadgenlebi acxadeben, rom es iyo samarcxvino arCevnebi, romelsac ar aqvs aranairi gamarTleba.
– rom cnos dasavleTma es arCevnebi, maSin rogor moiqceviT, jerjerobiT xom Tavs ikavebs saboloo daskvnis dadebisgan?
– hoda, opozicia Seva Tu ara qveynis sakanonmdeblo organoebSi da mandats gamoiyenebs Tu ara, amaze ki ar unda vmsjelobdeT axla, is unda gavarkvioT, ratom ikavebs Tavs dasavleTi, amas unda gavceT pasuxi, rodesac amodena argumenti gvaqvs. evrokavSiri aranairad ar reagirebs da Tvlis, rom damoukideblobis 33-e wlisTavze, im miRwevebis miuxedavad, rac am xnis ganmavlobaSi gvqonda, arCevnebs ver vatarebT normalurad, isev warsulSi gadavvardiT da bananis respublikad viqeciT.
– saprotesto aqciebis kuTxiT, ra gegmebi gaqvT uaxloes momavalSi?
– mTavari amocanaa, gagrZeldes muSaoba, raTa ar moxdes am parlamentis sruli legitimacia. mTavari mizania, Catardes xelaxali arCevnebi. rac Seexeba danarCens, saprotesto aqciebs, ucxoel partniorebTan Sexvedrebs Tu brZolis formebs, es sakiTxebi aris taqtikis Semadgeneli nawili, romelic Ria da sajaro gaxdeba Cveni sazogadoebisTvis, rogorc ki winaaRmdegobis sqemis momdevno etapebi Camoyalibdeba.