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`TinaTin xidaSeli, rogorc yofili Tavdacvis
ministri, jariskacia?~

ramdenime dRis win baTumSi partia `saqarTvelosTvis~ pirveli regionaluri ofisis gaxsnas, partiis Tavmjdomare giorgi gaxaria, sxva liderebi, wevrebi da mxardamWerebi eswrebodnen
`es aWaris regionis saTavo ofisia. aq dagxvdebaT sivrce da profesionali adamianebi, romlebTan erTadac SevZlebT Cveni qalaqis da aWaris regionis keTildReobisTvis mTeli rigi proeqtebis ganxilvas~, – ganacxada gaxsnisas partia `saqarTvelosTvis~ aWaris regionuli organizaciis xelmZRvanelma irakli miqelaZem.
`TiTqmis 2 weli vcxovrobdi germaniaSi, magram miviRe gadawyvetileba, rom Cveni Svilebis momavlisa da warmatebisTvis unda davbrunebuliyavi samSobloSi, Cavbmuliyavi gamarjvebisTvis im brZolaSi, romelsac xelmZRvanelobs batoni giorgi gaxaria da, konkretulad, partia `saqarTvelosTvis~, – ambobs igi.
ra gegmebi aqvs regionaluri organizaciis xelmZRvanel irakli miqelaZes, amaze saubrobs CvenTan interviuSi.
– batono irakli, qalaqSi gicnobdnen rogorc `qarTuli ocnebis~ Tavgadaklul mxardamWers. ra posti geWiraT xelisuflebaSi?
– wlebis ganmavlobaSi gaxldiT baTumis sakrebulos wevri, aqve viyavi `qarTuli ocnebis~ fraqciis Tavmjdomare, sakrebulos Tavmjdomaris moadgile, paralelurad – baTumis organizaciis aRmasrulebeli mdivani. Semdeg, ojaxuri pirobebis gamo, gadavedi germaniaSi, Cavabare magistraturaSi, var magistranti finansur-samarTlebrivi mimarTulebiT. meuRle eqimia da vgegmavdiT, garkveuli wlebis ganmavlobaSi davrCeniliyaviT sazRvargareT.
– dabruneba ratom gadawyviteT?
– mas Semdeg, rac gamoCnda giorgi gaxaria da sruliad axali sityva Tqva qarTul politikaSi, mivxvdi, rom aucilebeli iyo mxarSi davdgomodi rogorc yvelaze pozitiur, marTal da mizanmimarTul politikoss. mimaCnia, rom mxolod mas SeuZlia Camoayalibos samarTlebrivi, Zlieri da gamarTuli saxelmwifo instituciebi. amitom Camovedi, Sevxvdi baton giorgis da gamovxate survili, vyofiliyavi am Zalian Zlieri gundis wevri. visaubreT da gairkva, rom Cveni azrebi da Sexedulebebi erTmaneTs emTxveva, Semdeg ki SemomTavaza es sapasuxismgeblo pozicia, rasac sixaruliT davTanxmdi.
– giorgi gaxarias adre icnobdiT?
– piradad – ara. davuaxlovdi Sexvedrisas, rodesac gavacani Cemi xedvebi da mosazrebebi.
– Tu SeiZleba dagvikonkretoT, ra xedvebsa da Sexedulebebze saubrobT, Torem jerjerobiT zogadi frazebi gvesmis.
– yvelaze mniSvnelovania pozitiuri politikuri dRis wesrigi. yvela vxedavT, rom amJamad qarTuli politikuri yofa agebulia `qarTuli ocnebis~ da `erTiani nacionaluri moZraobis~ dapirispirebasa da lanZRva-ginebaze. mTeli saqarTvelo CaTreulia am yoveldRiurobaSi, arada, es yvelaferi acdenilia realobas. Cvens moqalaqeebs sruliad sxva problemebi aqvT, rogorc socialuri, ise finansuri Tu janmrTelobasTan dakavSirebuli. imis nacvlad, rom am orma centralurma politikurma dajgufebam xalxis gasaWirze izrunos, moZebnos gzebi, gamosavali am Cixidan, mudamdRe erTmaneTTan paeqrobaSi atareben da amjobineben, maTive standartebiT awyobil, gamogonil realobaSi icxovron. aqedan gamomdinare, vTvli, rom aucilebelia vimuSaoT im problemebze, rac realurad dgas dRes Cvens winaSe. mxolod gaxaria SeZlebs am viTarebidan qveynis gamoyvanas, mxolod mas ZaluZs qarTvelebis konsolidacia da ukeTesi momavlisken wayvana. erTad unda vipovoT am Cixidan gamosavali, SevqmnaT Zlieri saxelmwifo da vifiqroT, rogor gavxdeT im evropuli Rirebulebebis matarebeli, saiTkenac viswrafviT yvelani.
– gaxariaze rom araferi vTqvaT, Tqvenc geWiraT mmarTvel gundSi sakmarisad maRali posti. ratom ggoniaT, rom rac ver SeZeliT maSin, rodesac saxelmwifo gedgaT gverdiT, axla SeZlebT?
– ramdenjerme gaJRerda batoni giorgis pozicia am sakiTxze da amitom aRar visaubreb. miT umetes, rom Zalian bevria mis mier ganxorcielebuli warmatebuli proeqti, romliTac axla mmarTvel gunds moaqvs Tavi. rac Semexeba me, SegiZliaT gadaamowmoT rasac vityvi: viyavi baTumis aeroportis ubnis maJoritari, sxvaTa Soris, yvelaze axalgazrda im periodSi. aqve aRvniSnav, rom didi mxardaWerac miviRe da warmatebuladac vimuSave. Cemi deputatobis periodSi gakeTda qalaqis am gaveranebul nawilSi ramdenime aTeuli quCa da es miviwyebuli ubani gadaiqca baTumis saukeTeso teritoriad. ra Tqma unda, ufro metis gakeTebac SeiZleboda, magram Cemgan damoukidebeli mizezebis gamo ver SevZeli. yvela Cems winadadebas apauzebdnen da svlas ar aZlevdnen. amitom vambob, rom is gamocdileba, romelic dagvigrovda wlebis ganmavlobaSi rogorc me, ise, Cveni politikuri partiis sxva wevrebs da mxardamWerebs, unda gavaerTianoT. gamocdilebis praqtikaSi ganxorcielebis erTaderTi damabrkolebeli garemoeba – araswori politika unda Seicvalos. Tu Cven gveqneba jansaRi politikuri cxovreba, SevZlebT mTeli Cveni resursi mivmarToT mimdinare problemebis mogvarebisken.
– konkretulad raSi sdebT brals `qarTul ocnebas~?
– ramdenimewliani mmarTvelobis Semdeg, `qarTuli ocneba~ ascda realobas da mTeli resursi ixarjeba `erTian nacionalur moZraobasTan~ tyuil brZolaSi, rac ukve qaris wisqvilebTan oms ufro mogvagonebs, vidre jansaR oponirebas. amdeni energia da finansebi am mimarTulebiT ar unda miemarTebodes. xalxi imdenadaa gaWirvebuli, rom aRar ainteresebs wylis nayvas damsgavsebuli uxeiro Serkinebebi. `qarTul ocnebaSi~ jer kidev SemorCenili profesionali kadrebis muSaoba umweod darCenil qarTvelobas unda moxmardes da ara `nacionalTa~ ambiciebis dakmayofilebas.
– amboben, gaxarias mxardamWerebs sdevniano. . .
– samwuxarod, simarTlea da amaze gansakuTrebiT Segvtkiva guli. bevrma dakarga samsaxuri mxolod imitom, rom simpaTiebi gamoxata yofili premieris mimarT, romliTac manamde yvela erTad iyo aRfrTovanebuli. es xom adamianis uflebebis da Tavisuflebis fexqveS gaTelvaa, yovlad dauSvebelia. sadRaa is demokratia, romlis xarisxis amaRlebasac dRemde iCemeben? xedavT, raSi ixarjeba energia, maSin, rodesac aWaraSi auracxeli problemaa gadasaWreli, wamowyebuli da mitovebuli proeqtebia bolomde misayvani, radgan SeCerebuli mSeneblobebi wyalSi gadayrili saxazino fulia.
– davuSvaT da. . . moxvediT saTaveSi. xazinis fulis sworad warmarTvis ra garantias iZleviT?
– amis garantia gaxarias muSaobaa, romelic mTel qveyanas nanaxi aqvs. Cven veubnebiT amomrCevels – Tu mxarSi dagvidgeba, mTel Cvens codnas, gamocdilebas da profesionalizms qveynis asaSeneblad, mosaxleobis keTildReobis asamaRleblad mivmarTavT. Cven vizrunebT iseTi sakiTxebis mogvarebisTvis, romelic unda gakeTebuliyo guSin, unda gakeTdes dRes da araviTar SemTxvevaSi ar unda gadaidos xvalisTvis.
– Tqvens moZraobas ganawyenebulTa partia Searqves. `qarTul ocnebaze~ ganawyenebulTa garda, ra tipis xalxi modis TqvenTan?
– mesmis Tqveni SekiTxvis arsi, Tumca minda giTxraT, rom `qarTuli ocnebidan~ gabrazebuli ar wamovsulvar. ojaxuri problemebis gamo, ramdenime wliT gavemgzavre germaniaSi da iZulebuli viyavi, Camovcilebodi politikur procesebs. socialuri qselis meSveobiT vakritikebdi im sakiTxebs, rasac ar veTanxmebodi. Tu ofisSi gvestumrebiT, SexvdebiT adamianebs, romlebsac arasodes hqoniaT Sexeba politikasTan, magram xedaven, rom warmoudgenelia cxovrebis am ritmSi gagrZeleba da CvenTan erTad cdiloben realuri gzis povnas. partiis `saqarTvelosTvis~ ZiriTadi birTvi profesionalebia, romlebic arasodes yofilan politikaSi. Tumca, Cvens gverdiT arian gamocdili politikosebic. mocemul situaciaSi swored isini SesZleben axali sityva Tqvan saqarTvelos politikur realobaSi.
– da ratom ggoniaT, rom karg politikas gaatareben apolitikuri adamianebi?
– imitom, rom varCevT im adamianebs, visac namdvilad awuxebs qveynis da xalxis bedi, visTvisac patriotizmi litoni sityva ar aris da guli Sestkiva saqarTvelos bedkrul mdgomareobaze. dRes Cveni sazogadoeba mixvda, rom sakuTar xelSi unda aiRos Zalaufleba da qveynis marTva miandos profesionalebs.
– ra etapzea axla partiis Camoyalibebis procesi?
– mimdinareobs Sexvedrebi sainiciativo jgufebTan, romlebTanac ganvixilavT mTel rig sakiTxebs. partiis ZiriTadi mizania, saarCevno programa avagoT ara liderTa pirad mosazrebebsa da Sexedulebebze, aramed xalxis moTxovnebze, survilebsa da miswrafebebze. konkretuli adamianisgan wamosuli problema ganzogaddeba, Sejamdeba, gaanalizdeba da miiRebs programul datvirTvas, saidanac zustad gvecodineba, rogor unda vimoqmedoT xvalisTvis, rom ukeTes qalaqSi, Rirseul qveyanaSi vicxovroT.
– Tina xidaSelma ganacxada gaxariaze: `frTxilad iyaviT, demokratias safrTxe eqmneba. ar dagaviwydeT, rom gaxaria yofili policielia~. ra komentars gaakeTebT am gancxadebaze?
– TinaTin xidaSeli, rogorc yofili Tavdacvis ministri – jariskacia? ver gavige, raSia problema, ras xedavs cuds policielSi, mexanZreSi, eqimSi? yvela profesia dasafasebelia, miT umetes, 24-saaTian reJimSi Tu icaven adamianis usafrTxoebas da wesrigs. rac Seexeba demokratias, Tu hgoniaT, rom axlaa adamianis uflebebi daculi, Zalian Semcdaran. maSin veravis daiTxovdnen samsaxuridan mxolod politikuri simpaTiebis gamo. axla ar minda am sakiTxze drois dakargva, es gancxadeba Tavad xidaSelis problemaa da ara gaxariasi, romelmac Tundac imitom datova premieroba, melias daWeras rom ar eTanxmeboda. sxva raRa giTxraT. . .
– erTgan weren: `irakli kobaxiZis isterikas Tu gaviTvaliswinebT, yofil premiers raRac doneze dalagebuli unda hqondes oligarqTan saqmeebi. `ocnebaSi~ SiSoben, rom ivaniSvili morig triuks Caatarebs da maT gaxariaTi Caanacvlebs~. ramdenad SesaZlebelia es?
– Tqven albaT, moismineT kobaxiZis gancxadebebi gaxarias Sesaxeb. man giorgi gaxaria lamis qveynis mtrad gamoacxada da `ocnebis~ yvela codva mas ahkida. isic ki Tqva, gaxarias uxeiroba rom ara, `gavrilovis Rame~ aseTi sisxliani ar iqnebodao. am sisxliani Ramis gamo gaxarias Ss ministrobidan gadadgomis moTxovniT, aqciebi imarTeboda. maSin kobaxiZe `ocnebasTan~ erTad iZaxda, rom gaxariam saxelmwifo gadaarCina. mokled rom vTqvaT, batoni irakli Zalianaa acdenili realobas da, aqedan gamomdinare, mis msgavs `daskvnebzec~ ar vapireb komentaris gakeTebas.
– eqspertebi Tvlian, rom liderebis gadinebis Semdeg `qarTul ocnebas~ gauWirdeba amomrCevelTa 43%-is miReba.
– ar vici, Cven ar vmarCielobT msgavs sakiTxebze. arc is gvainteresebs, xmebis ramdeni procenti eqneba erT an meore partias, radgan zustad viciT, rom gadawyvetilebas iReben saqarTvelos moqalaqeebi, romlebic yoveldRe xedaven or mkveTrad gamoxatul suraTs: erT mxareze vayenebT profesionalebiT dakompleqtebul Cvens gunds, romelic uzrunvelyofs pozitiuri dRis wesrigis Seqmnas qarTul politikaSi, meore mxares – yvela sxva partias, romelTa warmomadgenlebi mxolod xmebis procentul maCvenebelze akeTeben prognozs da erTmaneTis lanZRva-ginebaSi atareben samuSao saaTebsac ki.
– msgavsi omaxiani gancxadebebiT Semovida qarTul politikur speqtrSi `lelo saqarTvelosTvis~, Tumca arCevnebSi Zlivs miaRwia minimalur Sedegs.
– daviwyoT imiT, rom `lelo~ ar varT, radgan am partiis mTel politikas gansazRvravdnen bankirebi, xolo Cvens SemTxvevaSi gundi dakompleqtebulia profesionali politikosebiT da gamocdili sajaro moxeleebiT. aqedan gamomdinare, gansxvaveba didia, ver dageTanxmebiT maTTan msgavsebaSi. minda visargeblo SemTxveviT da movuwodo Tanaqalaqelebs, movidnen, gagviziaron sakuTari problemebi, satkivari, ideebi. vapirebT 24-saaTian reJimSi muSaobas imisTvis, rom zustad ganvsazRvroT im nabijebis gegma, romlebic swrafad unda gadavdgaT Zlieri saxelmwifo da politikuri instituciebis Sesaqmnelad da es ori rgoli gavaerTianoT ukeTesi saqarTvelosTvis. Cven yvelani verTiandebiT saqarTvelosTvis da rac mTavaria – aravis winaaRmdeg!