სოსო მანჯავიძე: შესაძლებელია, უკვე აქვთ საფრთხეების შესახებ ინფორმაცია და თამაზაშვილის დანიშვნა უკავშირდებოდეს პრევენციას. . .
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gasuli kvira dedaqalaqSi samTavrobo sakadro cvlilebebiT daiwyo. Tanamdeboba datova saxelmwifo usafrTxoebis samsaxuris ufrosma grigol liluaSvilma, romelic regionuli ganviTarebisa da infrastruqturis saministros gayofis Semdeg regionuli ganviTarebis saministros unda Cadgomoda saTaveSi, Tumca sabolood, posti kaxaber guledanma Caibara, xolo sus-is ufrosis Tanamdeboba – iusticiis ministrma anri oxanaSvilma. sakanonmdeblo organodan mTavrobaSi gadainacvla deputatma paata saliam. igi iusticiis ministri gaxda.
cvlilebebia aWaraSic – 4 aprilis dilas aWaris avtonomiuri respublikis mTavrobis Tavmjdomare Tornike riJvaZis mier Tanamdebobis datovebis Sesaxeb sazogadoebam socialuri qseliT gaigo. imave dRes mixeil yavelaSvilma aWaris avtonomiuri respublikis mTavrobis Tavmjdomaris Tanamdebobaze Tbilisis policiis departamentis moqmedi direqtoris sulxan TamazaSvilis kandidatura waradgina. aseve, Tanamdeboba datova aWaris policiis departamentis ufrosma grigol beseliam, misi adgili ki giorgi buxraSvilma daikava.
ras ukavSirdeba `ocnebis~ gundSi sakadro cvlilebebi, ra viTarebaa qarTul politikur sivrceSi da msoflio avanscenaze – am sakiTxebze `aWarasTan~ eqskluziurad politologi, doqtori soso manjaviZe saubrobs.
– batono soso, Tu SeiZleba, saubari daviwyoT qveyanaSi ganxorcielebuli sakadro cvlilebebiT. ras emsaxureba „qarTuli ocnebis~ es uecari gadawyvetilebebi?
– jerjerobiT, sazogadoebis farTo wreebisTvis gaugebaria es cvlilebebi. simarTle giTxraT, arc me vici, ra moxda da ra unda moxdes, aqedan gamomdinare, Cemi komentaric ar iqneba mTlad sagnobrivi. meSinia, ar davemsgavso e.w. eqspertebs, romlebic quCidan yuriT moTreul Worebs eyrdnobian da ise saubroben raRac SeTqmulebis Teoriebze. rac Seexeba Tornike riJvaZis uecar gadadgomas, is 7 weli iyo regionis saTaveSi da albaT, dagrovda mis mimarT garkveuli kiTxvebi. SesaZlebelia, iyo qvedinebebi, romlebic ar afiSirdeba politikuri TvalsazrisiT. Aaseve, arsebobs favoritarizmi, – xelisuflebaSi myofi gavleniani piri cdilobs, sakuTari „proteJe“ daniSnos ama Tu im Tanamdebobaze. rodesac es piri Seicvleba, an misi favoriti ver gaamarTlebs, xdeba msgavsi gadawyvetilebebis miReba. yvelafer amas, cxadia, zogadad vlaparakob. garda amisa, arsebobs sxva mizezebic, Tumca me ufro mgonia, rom yvela am cvlilebas gaaCnia obieqturi safuZveli, vgulisxmob garkveul safrTxeebs, kerZod, mosalodnel destabilizacias. aWaris SemTxvevaSi, swored es mimaCnia xelCasavlebad. rodesac policiis moqmedi ufrosi gadadis regionis menejerad, ra Tqma unda, giCndeba msgavsi azri. SesaZlebelia, ukve aqvT safrTxeebis Sesaxeb informacia da TamazaSvilis daniSvna ukavSirdebodes prevencias. . . aqve kidev erTxel vimeoreb, rom es zogadi saubaria. . .
– rogor daaxasiaTebT mimdinare politikur procesebs, ras ityviT e.w. wulukianis komisiaze, romelic Seiqmna `erTiani nacionaluri moZraobis~, da misi sateliti partiebis arakonstituciurad gamosacxadeblad?
– SegaxsenebT, rom me 2012 wlidan moviTxov am danaSaulebrivi politikuri partiis akrZalvas. Tavis droze organizaciac ki Camovayalibe miznis misaRwevad. maSinac mimaCnda da axlac mimaCnia, rom es ar aris politikuri partia, igi saqarTvelos saxelmwifoebrivi interesebis winaaRmdeg mizamimarTulad moqmedi agenturaa, romelic xelisuflebaSi moiyvana marginalurma danaSaulebrivma Zalebma. . . Sedegi aSkaraa. miuxedavad am agenturuli qselis da misi Tavkacebis mier ganxorcielebuli danaSaulebrivi qmedebebis mTeli nusxisa (saxelmwifo terori, darbevebi, biznesis ukanono warTmevebi, egzekuciebi, gayalbebuli arCevnebi), 2008 wlis sruliad samarcxvino da moRalateobrivi omis Sedegad teritoriebis dakargvac ki sxvadasxva interpretaciis sagani gaxda. bevri adamianis kerpTayvanismcemluri damokidebuleba am partiis da misi lideris mimarT sagonebelSi gvagdebs. namdvilad ver warmovidgendi, rom am omsac ki gaamarTlebdnen `nacionaluri moZraobis~ mier warmarTul sxva araadekvatur procesebTan erTad. im dros rac xdeboda, televiziiT vuyurebdiT, yvelaferi saxeze iyo – saakaSvilis is samarcxvino qcevac da. . . saocaria, esec ar gaxda sakmarisi safuZveli, rom Cvens opoziciurad ganwyobil moqalaqeebs gasCenodaT protestis grZnoba. am arCevnebze `nacionalurma moZraobam~ da misma satelitma partiebma lamis 400 aTas xmaze meti miiRes.
– riTi xsniT aseT erTgulebas?
– gasagebia, rom Cvens sazogadoebaSi arsebobs klasteri, romelic Seuvalia zneobrivi kriteriumebis mimarT – rac unda gaakeTos saakaSvilma (romeli erTi CamovTvalo misi qcevidan – poligamiaze da haramxanaze aRarafers vambob, moqmedi colis pirobebSi), is mainc rCeba Tavisi momxreebis kerpad. . . da sanam es politikuri centri arsebobs, misi wevrebi moqmedeben rogorc diversantebi. ar uxariaT qveynis warmateba, sasikeTo cvlilebebi. . . ara mxolod ar uxariaT, sZulT yvela da yvelaferi Cven irgvliv. Tanac, aqtiurad moqmedeben qveyanaSi negatiuri procesebis gasaRviveblad. amisTvis ucxoeTSi darbian da yvela xerxs iyeneben saqarTvelos gasanadgureblad, misi politikuri imijis dasamaxinjeblad.
aqve SegaxsenebT CemTvis gamaognebel faqts: arCevnebSi, sazRvargareT, yvela saarCevno ubanze gaimarjva nikoloz gvaramias partiam. es yvelaferi aSkarad miuTiTebs sazogadoebaSi arsebul mZime fsiqikur daavadebaze. es yvelaferi imitom xdeba, rom `nacionaluri moZraobis~ mier daarsebuli borotebis centri SenarCunda saqarTveloSi da mas propagandas uwevs sami televizia, romlebic finansdeba „dif sTeiTis“ mier. yvela am mavneblis CamosaSoreblad iyo aucilebeli komisiis Seqmna, romelic saaSkaraoze gamoitans, ra xdeboda im periodSi qveyanaSi. am faqtebs brmac ki dainaxavs, magram `amaT~ goneba dabnelebuli aqvT da verafers xedaven. isini ar kiTxuloben, arc usmenen komisiis mier gakeTebul daskvnebs, xolo is mcire raodenoba, vinc mainc usmens, sul sxva aspeqtebze akeTebs aqcents, magaliTad, Tea wulukianis mimarT siZulvilze.
– maT Soris xom arian ganaTlebuli adamianebi, isini ratom ver afaseben faqtebs sworad?
– es sul sxvaa, eseni totalitarul seqtad Camoyalibdnen, xolo rodesac seqta masobriv saxes iRebs, ukve safrTxes warmoadgens ara mxolod Cveni, nebismieri saxelmwifosTvis. amitom `nacionaluri moZraoba~, Tavisi televiziebiTurT, unda aikrZalos. im adamianebsac unda aekrZaloT politikuri saqmianoba, romlebsac Sexeba hqondaT am partiis xelmZRvanelobasTan.
– televiziebis daxurva gamoiwvevs sazogadoebis protests, isedac aris saubrebi, rom Tavisufal presas aviwroveben. . .
– es ar aris Tavisufali presa, maTi televiziebi wamlaven sazogadoebis sensitiur nawils. iluzoruli demokratiis samsxverploze ar SeiZleba mivitanoT qveynis da Cveni Svilebis momavali. vxedavT zombebs, sruli am sityvis mniSvnelobiT da es zombirebuli adamianebi moqmedeben sakuTari qveynis gasanadgureblad. am zombebs tvinSi gaWedili aqvT sruliad absurduli narativi, romelic realobasTan SexebaSi ar aris, Sepyrobilebi arian. . .
– sxva partiebs rac Seexeba, xazaraZis da jafariZis winaaRmdegac aRZrulia saqme. . .
– romelia politikosi? xazaraZe ver darCeba politikaSi… Tavad gansazRvreT, ras akeTeben, uars amboben parlamentze, ar cnoben mTavrobas, sruliad absurdul Tvalsazrisebs iyeneben am araadekvaturi qcevis gasamarTleblad. parlamentSi romc Sesuliyvnen, maTgan yovelgvari konstruqciuli qmedeba gamoricxulia, orientirebulni arian ngrevaze. patronebma politikur amocanad dausaxes, rom saqarTveloSi unda iyos destabilizacia. amas garkveuli Zalebis geopolitikuri miznebi udevs safuZvlad. ar surT, Cveni qveyana iqces samSvidobo zonad. mogexsenebaT, ukve mimdinareobs anakliis portis irgvliv satransporto habis Camoyalibebis procesi, romlis meSveobiTac CineTi ganaxorcielebs Sors mimaval finansur-komerciul procesebs ruseTis da sxva mezoblebis pretenziebisgan damoukideblad. es aris saqarTveloSi mimdinare politikuri dapirispirebebis realuri safuZveli.
– am dapirispirebebs arCevnebis gayalbebiT xsnian. . .
– es Cveulebrivi sigiJea, politikuri `SabaSnikebi~ arian da rac SeukveTes, imas akeTeben. xom gaxsovT, arCevnebis Semdeg xuT dRes xmas ver iRebdnen. rogor unda eTqvaT, gayalbdao, rodesac komisiebis naxevarze meti maTi warmomadgenlebiT iyo dakompleqtebuli da yovelma maTganma xeli moawera oqmebs. nacmediis saSualebiT ise gamoTayvanda xalxi, `gaJonvis~ Sesaxeb mogonil absurdsac ki ijereben. vimeoreb, maTi xalxi ijda saarCevno ubnebSi, maTi karnaxiT damontaJda xmis damTvleli eleqtronuli sistema, romelic yvelaze obieqturad iTvleba dedamiwaze, Tan ormagi gadaTvla iyo. arc is dagaviwydeT, rom desanti hyavdaT gadmosxmuli evrokavSridan, mgoni – 1800 adamiani, mTeli jari Seyares… verc erTma ver aRmoaCina seriozuli darRveva, garda imisa, rom samkaulebasxmuli qali daJinebiT uyurebda biuletens da. . . gaJonao. . .
– rogor fiqrobT, iqneba Tu ara „megobar aqtze“ trampis xelmowera?
– senatis sagareo urTierTobebis komitetSi ukve gaiara am aqtma, saqarTvelosTan dakavSirebulma orpartiulma kanonproeqtma. mogexsenebaT, misi teqsti moicavs `qarTuli ocnebis~ politikis sawinaaRmdego zomebs da sanqciebis meqanizms. rodesac igi gaivlis saTanado sakanonmdeblo procedurebs, Semdeg prezidents aqvs masze vetos dadebis ufleba, gaakeTebs Tu ara amas trampi, damokidebulia imaze, Tu rogor gaiSleba politikuri pasiansi. Aaxla, rodesac trampma msoflios gamoucxada satarifo omi, raRac axali sanqciebis SemoReba saqarTvelos mimarT, ubralod, sasacilo iqneba. absoluturad ararelevanturia axla amaze laparaki. ra „megobari aqti~, ager kanadas, meqsikas da mTel evropas auwia savaWro procentebi.
– amdeni xania, mimdinareobs ruseT-ukrainas Soris cecxlis Sewyvetis SeTanxmebaze saubrebi, Tumca Sedegi ar Cans. . .
– arc gamoCndeba, ruseTi ar SeaCerebs Setevas, radgan axla aqvs udavo samxedro upiratesoba, rasac bolomde gamoiyenebs. putini elodeba, rom ukrainis fronti CamoiSleba, rasac Sida destabilizacia mohyveba. iq jer kidev samkvdro-sasicocxlo brZolebi mimdinareobs. ruseTis generalitetis amocanaa, maqsimalurad mcire teritoriebi darCes ukrainas da ar dautovos zRvaze gasasvleli. yvelam icis, rom axal ukrainaze ruseTis gavlena ver gavrceldeba da mas maqsimalurad SeaiaraReben evropis qveynebi, raTa daupirispiron Crdilour imperias. moskovis samxedro-politikur elitas mosvenebas ukargavs karpatebTan mdebare veli, saidanac Zalian advilia ruseTSi SeWra. es gza gamoiyena napoleonmac da hitlermac. aqedan gamomdinare, putini ar gaCerdeba, sanam ar miiRebs dacul geopolitikur konfiguracias. rac Seexeba evropelebs, romlebmac ukve daiwyes samxedro mobilizacia, sruliad sapirispiro mosazrebebi aqvT. maT sWirdebaT ukraina, rogorc forposti ruseTis winaaRmdeg. evropis warmodgenaSi ruseTi an unda daiSalos, raTa globalistebs wvdoma hqondeT am qveynis umdidres resursebze, an kremlSi iseTi reJimi Camoyalibdes, romelic maTTvis iafs da xelmisawvdoms gaxdis wiaRiseuls. . . cxadia, amas uamravi sxva aspeqtic aqvs, maT Soris, CineTis, islamuri samyaros Tu TurqeTis faqtoric moqmedebs, anu Cven unda gvesmodes, rom aq Zalian bevri Zalaa CarTuli.
– maT Soris aSS-is axali lideric?
– ra Tqma unda. trampi maqsimalurad ecdeba, moelaparakos putins. Eevropa, faqtobrivad, trampis mowinaaRmdegeebis placdarmad iqca. Sesabamisad, aSS-is prezidentisTvis evropa ufro didi mteria, vidre ruseTi. gaixseneT, evropisTvis damangreveli tarifebi rom daawesa. Tavis mxriv, putinic cdilobs, daalagos urTierTobebi trampTan. es Cans mis bolo gamosvlaSi, sadac aJRerebs, rom mzad aris, amerikul kompaniebs misces ruseTSi muSaobis ufleba sasargeblo wiaRiseulis mopovebis TvalsazrisiT Tu ukrainis aqtivebis gamoyenebis kuTxiT, anu am ori bumberazi qveynisTvis umniSvnelovanes sakiTxebSi maTi inetresebi SeiZleba daemTxves. Tumca unda gvesmodes, rom bevri cvladisgan Sedgeba es sqema da ra dros ra amovardeba, ra Seicvleba, prognozireba Zalian rTulia.