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„უკან დაბრუნება რომ შემეძლოს“. . .

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baTumelebi (da ara marto isini) kargad icnoben qalbaton guna samniZes – araerTi samecniero wignis redaqtors, wlebis ganmavlobaSi gamomcemloba `aWaris~ da amJamad bsu-is gamomcemlobis redaqtors, Cinebul filologs, romelic Tavis mdidar profesiul gamocdilebas uSurvelad axmars sayvarel saqmes. Tavisi cxovrebis wesiTa da saqmianobiT gamorCeuli es qalbatoni dRes Cveni gazeTis stumaria.

– vin var me – am kiTxvas sakuTar Tavs usvamT?

– Tu ginda sindisTan marTali iyo, es kiTxva sakuTar Tavs unda dausva – moqalaqeobis xarisxs am kriteriumiT Tu Seafaseb. gulwrfelad rom vTqvა, var Cveulebrivi mokvdavi yoveldRiuri satkivriTa da safiqraliT. uflis imedad daviarebi amqveynad.

– rogoria Tqveni cxovrebis wesi?

– Zalian vcdilob, aqtiuri cxovrebis wesiT vicxovro, magram Cemi profesiidan gamomdinare, naklebad gamomdis, Tumca, drodadro vaxerxeb – fexiT samsaxuramde da piriqiT, dilis varjiSebTanac ar var mwyralad. amas winaT skandinaviuri joxebi SeviZine, magram jerjerobiT ver viyeneb, moridebis momenti maqvs, vinaidan iSviaTobaa Cvens qalaqSi msgavsi joxebiT mosiarule da jer kompleqsi ver gadavlaxe. es rac Seexeba fizikur mxares, moralurad ki, vTvli, rom vxovrob jansaRad; tradiciul ojaxSi gavizarde da stumarTmoyvareoba Cveni upirvelesi movaleoba iyo mudam. afxazeTidan devnili naTesavebi (ojaxis 6 wevri) SevifareT im duxWir 90-ianebSi da 12 wlis ganmavlobaSi vmaspinZlobdiT. dedaCems rom ixseneben, amboben: – arsenasaviT `gzebze sufris gadafena~ uyvardao. meuRlec Sesaferisi hyavda, sikeTis qmnaSi ar Camouvardeboda. deda gascemda da samagieros ar iTxovda. aseTi iyo misi cxovrebis wesi. SemTxveviTi araa, rom mezoblebma misi saflavis qvaze epitafiad daaweres: `gulis yvelasTvis gamyofo, RmerTma naTelSi gamyofos!~. erTi erTSi, raRa Tqma unda, ver vbaZav dedas, magram vcdilob, garSemomyofebTan urTierTobaSi misebr adamianuri siTbo gamovavlino, viyo ubralo da megobruli.

– Tavisufali adamiani vin aris?

– `sjobs monobaSi gadidkacebuls, Tavisuflebis ZebnaSi mkvdari~, – brZana mgosanma. Tavisufali adamiani, Cemi azriT, ufro sulierad amaRlebuli unda iyos. aravisze damokidebuli da sakuTar SesaZleblobebSi Rrmad darwmunebuli, Tumca bolomde Tavisufali sakuTar qmedebebSi ver iqneba adamiani, radgan aris raRacebi, rac gvaiZulebs, SevizRudoT Tavi, magaliTad, tradiciebi, dauwereli kanonebi. mudam viTvaliswineb sayovelTaod aRiarebul cnebas: Seni Tavisufleba mTavrdeba iq, sadac iwyeba sxvisi.

– garemo, romelSic cxovrobT da saqmianobT.

– Cem irgvliv Seqmnili garemoTi kmayofili var – vakeTeb im saqmes, romelic Zalian miyvars – dasaqmebuli var Cemi profesiiT, rac Cemi mowodebaa. Cemi xelmZRvanelia saTnoebiTa da sikeTiT aRsavse qalbatoni, profesori nana xaxutaiSvili. kolegebs megobruli urTierToba gvaqvs erTmaneTTan, ojaxSi ki sufevs siyvaruli da pativiscema.

– buneba da Tqven. . . giyvarT mogzauroba?

– aris adamiani, buneba რომ ar uyvardes? zRvac Cemi didi siyvarulia, Tumca tye da mTebic ar Camouvardeba mas simSvidis mogvraSi. frinvelTa samyaros naklebad vwyalob, radganac bumbulTan Sexeba maSinebs. Sinauri cxovelebi ki yvela Zalian miyvars, gansakuTrebiT, ZaRli da kata. sazRvargareTis qveynebidan mxolod TurqeTSi var namyofi, stambolSi, sadac yvelaze metad sulTnis sasaxlem – dolma bahCem momxibla, momxibla ki ara, damatyveva Tavisi didebulebiT, uZvirfasesi eqsponatebiT. aia sofias taZarma Rrma STabeWdileba moaxdina ori samyaros – qristianulisa da mahmadianuris SerwymiT da Tavisi, Seudarebeli, ganumeorebeli arqiteqturiT. raRa Tqma unda, siamayisa da sinanulis grZnobiT avivse Cveni, qarTuli, qristianuli taZrebis – xaxulis, oSkis, oTxTas, banas monaxulebiTa da molocviT. visargebleb am SesaZleblobiT da madlobas gadavuxdi oSkis mimdebared mcxovreb mosaxleobas taZris movlisTvis (dasufTavebuli ezo-midamo, Senaxuli taZris kedlebi, mowesrigebuli misasvleli gza), TavianTi Zalebis farglebSi. sxva sakiTxia, rom taZari Svelas iTxovs gadarCenisTvis…

– religia da Tqven.. mZime codvebad ras TvliT da miteveba xSirad giwevT?

– religiis TvalsazrisiT or samyaros – qristianulsa da mahmadianurs Sua gaiara Cemma bavSvobam: mSoblebi muslimanur religias aRiarebdnen, magram ara fanatikurad (mogexsenebaT, komunisturi reJimis dros rogori akrZalvebi da SezRudvebi iyo religiis msaxurebasTan mimarTebaSi, Tumca mSoblebi komunistebi ar yofilan). babua – mahmadis aRmsarebeli, usazRvrod keTili, gulwrfeli, religiuri dogmebis zusti Semsrulebeli, friad ganaTlebuli, Cemi kerpi iyo. bebia mudmivad jvardasmul mWads acxobda kecze, deda ki qristiani bebiis gazrdili iyo da wiTlad SeRebili kvercxi yovelTvis gvqonda patarebs aRdgomis dResaswaulze. Tavad 33 wlis asakSi („qristes asakSi“) movinaTle qristianulad. ase rom, religiebis mimarT didi pativiscema maqvs. ver vityvi, Rrmad eklesiuri var, Tumca, TiTqmis yovel diliT vloculob xatebTan, vanTeb sanTels eklesiaSi, myavs araCveulebrivi naTlia da 4 SesaniSnavi naTluli… mwams uflisa, misi Zlevamosilebisa da keTilismyofeli Zalisa. uflis xateba yvelgan unda axldes adamians. RmerTi Tu SenSi gansxeulebuli iqneba, win veranairi boroteba ver dagidgeba. mZime codvad ki adamianis mier adamianis mokvdineba mimaCnia.

– Tqven da ojaxi… ramdenad empaTiuri xarT?

– ojaxi CemTvis gansakuTrebuli fenomenia, siyvarulsa da urTierTpativiscemaze damyarebuli. ki, empaTiuri var, raRa Tqma unda, radganac TanagrZnobis gareSe cxovreba ver warmomidgenia. empaTiurebi rom ar viyoT adamianebi, rogor gadavlaxavdiT ojaxis wevris gardacvalebiT gamowveuli tkiviliT damZimebul dReebs. . . vTvli, rom empaTiuri var saukeTeso xarisxiT – srulad mesmis adamianisa da TanagrZnobac kargad gamomdis.

– roca quCebSi maTxovrebi gxvdebian. . .

– vfiqrob, turistuli potencialis mqone Cvens qalaqSi amden xelgamowvdil adamians ar unda vxedavdeT. namdvil Semweobis gacemis obieqtebad SSm pirebi mimaCnia da maT mimarT gansakuTrebul Tanadgomas gamovxatav, radgan saxelmwifo daxmarebis miuxedavad vTvli, rom es sakmarisi ar unda iyos maTi moTxovnilebebis dakmayofilebisTvis da sxva gza ara aqvT, garda imisa, rom sazogadoebisgan miiRon mowyaleba.

– iumori cxovrebaSi ramdenad gexmarebaT da xSirad iRimiT?

– iumoris gareSe cxovreba ver warmomidgenia. is yvelgan mexmareba. mudam viyavi da var, ase vTqvaT, kampaniis suli da guli Cemi iumoris wyalobiT. RimiliTac xSirad viRimi, meubnebian – gixdebao da viSnoveb. TiTqmis ver naxavT Cems fotos, sadac ar viRimi.

– wigni, romelmac SegZraT da axla ras kiTxulobT?

– SemZra etellilian vioniCis romanma – `krazanam~. maxsovs, romanis finalze guli rogor amomijda da avqviTindi, iqve, buxarTan msxdomi babua da bebia wamocvivdnen da gakvirvebuli mekiTxebodnen, ra mogividao. mere maT vuambe mokled wignis mTavari gmiris – arturis tragikuli cxovrebis Sesaxeb, finalma isinic SeZra. manamde ki, ufro adreul asakSi, `biZia Tomas qoxma~ maRvrevina mduRare cremlebi. amJamad, samwuxarod, mxatvrul literaturas naklebad vkiTxulob, Cemi samuSaodan gamomdinare uamrav teqstze miwevs muSaoba, ufro samecniero xasiaTis da dro aRar mrCeba wignis kiTxvisTvis, Tumca, amas winaT wavikiTxe jemal qarCxaZis moTxrobebi.

– Tqveni damokidebuleba xelovnebasTan, upiratesobas romel dargs aniWebT?

– `ars longa, vita brevis~ – xelovneba grZelia, sicocxle – mokle, naTqvamia estonur xalxur sityvierebaSi. xelovneba sulis nawilia. me musikas gamovyofdi, yvela situacias rom efeqts matebs: musikis gareSe lxini lxini araa da mwuxarebasac saocrad uxdeba, ase mgonia. . .

– cifrul samyaros am realobaSi rogor adaptirebT. . . sxvebs ras urCevdiT?

– mark cukerbergma Cveni planeta erT patara yuTSi Caatia. ase rom, samyaro cifrulad xelis erT gawvdenazea. aseT realobasTan adaptireba bevr upiratesobas aZlevs feisbuqis momxmarebels. piradad me ar var mwyralad Tanamedrove teqnologiebTan, sakmaod kargad vflob da sxvebsac vurCevdi, maqsimalurad eziaron Tanamedrove teqnologiebs.

– roca cxovrebis sazrisze fiqrobT…

– cxovrebis sazrisze fiqrisas samyaroSi adamianis adgilia umTavresi. swored es fenomenia sakuTari bedisa da momavlis ganmsazRvreli. bevri gansacdeli unda gadaitano, raTa Sinaarsianad ganvlo xanmokle wuTisoflis gza da sikvdilis Semdeg sicocxle gaagrZelo. ise unda icxovros adamianma, rom misi saflavis qvaze epitafiad emetebodeT cnobili fraza: `aqac kai kaci iyo, iq naTeli daadgesa!~

– baTumiTqveni gadasaxedidan. Tqven rom qalaqis meri iyoT. . .

– baTumi CemTvis yovelTvis gamzrdeli dedis funqcias asrulebs, amitomac mis winaSe Tavi sul valdebulad mimaCnia. mixaria, rom Cemi qalaqis masStabebi izrdeba, oRond arqiteqturuli dagegmareba moikoWlebs. ar vemxrobi sanapiro zolSi mravalsarTuliani saxlebis mSeneblobas, ris gamoc, qalaqSi sasunTqi sivrceebi TiTqmis gadaketilia. me rom qalaqis meri viyo, pirvel rigSi, movagvarebdi sacobebis problemas, generalur reabilitacias Cavutarebdi saniaRvre arxebs, raTa baTumisTvis esoden damaxasiaTebeli wvimiani dReebis dros ar datboriliyo Cemi qalaqis ubnebi da quCebi.

– yvelaze metad axla ra gagaxarebT Tqven da Tqvens axloblebs, baTumelebs?

– arc ki vici, ra gipasuxoT. bevri ram gamaxarebda, magaliTad, kidev ufro meti sarekreacio sivrcis Seqmna qalaqSi, „disnei lendis“ msgavsi qalaqis aSeneba patarebisTvis da cxel qviSaze momzadebuli yavis jixurebis simravle. . .

– Tqveni azriT, ra SeiZleboda kidev mekiTxa?

– SeiZleboda gekiTxaT, ukan dabruneba rom SegeZloT, ras SecvlidiTo. gipasuxebT: gansxvavebiT bevrisgan, romlebic amboben, rom arafers Secvlidnen, vityodi, rom raRacebs Sevcvlidi, upirvelesad ki imas, rom ojaxs Sevqmnidi adreul asakSi, ase ar davagvianebdi, Svilebi momecemoda da ufro meti interesi eqneboda cxovrebas. Sesabamisad, movuwodeb axalgazrdebs, gansakuTrebiT vaJebs. nu ayovneben colis moyvanas – ers gamravleba sWirdeba, ojaxs ki axalgazrduli energia da mgznebareba!

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