,,ყოველი ნაბიჯის ზღვარი და ფასი უნდა ვიცოდეთ”

ნაირა ფუტკარაძე 27 48 93 –

leila lemsaZe warmatebuli pedagogi da saintereso, TavisTavadi poetia. garda amisa, is erT-erTi imaTgania, visac wlis sapatio tituli `persona 2023~ mieniWa. leila lemsaZe Cveni gazeTis stumaria.

– qalbatono leila, ori wlis winaTac gvstumrobdiT. ra siaxlea Tqvens cxovrebaSi, SemoqmedebaSi?

– madloba, rom isev mxvda wilad, vyofiliyavi Tqveni respondenti. diax, Cems cxovrebaSi aris bevri siaxle – kargic da cudic. kargi is gaxlavT, rom vmonawileob uamrav SemoqmedebiT RonisZiebaSi, davjildovdi `persona 2023~ wlis tituliT, rac yvelaze metad sasixarulo da saamayoa. axla wignze vmuSaob, romelsac male ixilavs mkiTxveli. Tumca Cemi Zmis tragikulad daRupvam Cems cxovrebaSi yvelaferi Tavdayira daayena. vcdilob, Zala movikribo da myarad davdge fexze, raTa wigni male gamovides, romlis sponsoric Cemi usayvarlesi Zma iyo (vinc gamzarda) da es wignic mis xsovnas mieZRvneba.

– Tqven, rogorc pedagogs, mogeniWaT `persona 2023~ wlis tituli. . .

– diax, sxva warmatebul baTumelebTan erTad, mec warmadgines am jildoze. mogexsenebaT, leqsebs da Canaxatebs xSirad feisbuqis gverdze vaqveyneb, swored Cemi leqsebidan gamomdinare SemarCies. var inkluziuri ganaTlebis specpedagogi, Tu rogori poeti var, es mkiTxvelma gansajos.

– inkluziuri ganaTlebis specpedagogi ra TvisebebiT unda iyos dajildoebuli?

– specpedagogi da filologi var. Zalin miyvars Cemi profesia, rac Cems leqsebSic Cans. miyvars siaxleebi da. . . Sevudeqi inkluziuri ganaTlebis Seswavlas. gaviare treningebi. . . sxva maswavleblebisgan gansxvavebiT, specmaswavlebeli unda iyos Sromisunariani, pozitiuri, momTmeni, rom miaRwios sasurvel Sedegs. myavs usayvarlesi moswavle, romelsac smenasTan dakavSirebuli problema aqvs. imdenad sainteresoa masTan muSaoba, imdenad pozitiviT vivsebi, sxva samuSaos verc vxedav. vcdilob, SeZlebisdagvarad mivaRwioT miznamde, rom man SeZlos saubari.

– sxva qveynis inkluziuri ganaTlebis pedagogebs Tu xvdebiT da maT gamocdilebas Tu ecnobiT?

– samwuxarod, ara. am etapze mxolod adgilobrivebTan SexvedriT SemovifarglebiT. Tbilisidanac Camodian isini, vinc inkluziuri ganaTleba saqarTveloSi danerga. visargebleb SemTxveviT da vityvi, rom sazogadoebas da mSoblebs inkluziuri ganaTlebis Sesaxeb Zalian mwiri informacia aqvT.

– ra aris is umTavresi, romelsac cxovrebaSi mudam unda vicavdeT?

– cxovreba erTi didi cixesimagrea, sadac an xar mTavari moqmedi gmiri, an ara. mTavaria, Tavi ise daimkvidro sazogadoebaSi, rom yvelasTvis iyo misaRebi, icxovro sworad da iyo adamiani. unda icavde zRvars sakuTar TavTan, megobrobaSi, siyvarulSi da saerTod, yoveli nabijis zRvari da fasi unda vicodeT.

– pedagogi, poeti – ukeT sad SeZeliT sakuTari SesaZleblobebis warmoCena?

– CemTvis ar aqvs mniSvneloba, sad viqnebi, yvelafers Tavisi pewi aqvs, yvelaferi erTmaneTs erwymis da siaxleebic ibadeba. skolaSi muSaobis periodSi Cemi leqsebi sajaro gavxade. mowondaT da maxalisebdnen, dRemde midganan gverdSi. Semdeg pirveli saerTo krebuli gamoveci `Cveni xma~ – es dasawyisia Cemi Semoqmedebis da swored aq moxda Cemi poeziis afeTqebac.

– ra aris Tqvens SemoqmedebaSi axali?

– SemoqmedebaSi sul raRac axali xdeba – Sinagani wva an Sinagani sixalvaTe. rogorc mogaxseneT, meore wignze vmuSaob, Cemi leqsebi daibeWda Jurnal `WoroxSi~. aqve minda madloba gadavuxado Cems megobar paata abaSiZes da Jurnal `Woroxis~’ redaqtor sandro beriZes, vinc marguna pativi, Cemi leqsebi JurnalSi dabeWdiliyo.

– Tu ar vcdebi, `mwignobarTanac~ urTierTobT. . .

– diax, davdivar xSirad, roca miwveven Jiuris wevrad. `mwignobari~ is garemoa, sadac skolis da skolamdeli aRsazrdelebi Semoqmedebas eziarebian. aq patara Teatraluri dasia, sadac bavSvebi msaxiobobas, mxatvrul kiTxvas swavloben. roca Jiuris wevrad miwveven, mixaria, radgan meZleva saSualeba, am garemoSi bavSvebs Sevxvde da literaturaze vesaubro.

– Tviseba, romelic yvelaze metadaa TqvenSi ganviTarebuli?

– uangarod SemiZlia gavce sikeTe da adamianebs, romlebic miyvars, Secdomebs advilad vpatiob.

– raze swuxarT? ra gaxarebT? dRevandelobas rogor aRiqvamT?

– cxovrebaSi kargic xdeba da cudic. . . momavali Taoba madardebs, qveyanaSi arsebuli problemebi mawuxebs, minda Cvenma Svilebma mSvidobian samSobloSi icxovron. suli mimwardeba, quCaSi mSier, xelgamowvdil bavSvebs rom vxedav. ra maxarebs? yoveli gaTenebuli dila, yoveli axali sicocxlis dabadeba, mabednierebs yvelas wingadadgmuli nabiji, warmateba.

– ra matebs adamians sulier Zalas da Tqven piradad?

– Cemi azriT, upirvelesad, RmerTi aZlierebs adamians, Semdeg – sakuTari Tavis rwmena da xvalindeli dRis imedi. me piradad, uflis siyvaruli mexmareba. yovel wams vgrZnob mis mowyalebas, kidev, Cemi Seudarebeli megobrebi maZliereben.

– Tqven da ojaxi. . .

– ojaxze usasrulod SemiZlia saubari. igi Cemi sulis saunjea, Cemi sayudari, Cemi sulis da gulis TavSesafari. igi wmindaTawminda saganZuria CemTvis.

– roca marto rCebiT, raze fiqrobT?

– zogadad, miyvars martooba. aris kiTxvebi, razec ver vcem pasuxebs. . . Cemi sadardeli da safiqrali am etapze Cemi gardacvlili Zmaa, romelic tkivilamde menatreba, suls miwiokebs mis gareSe gaTenebuli dReebi.

– Tqven da baTumi. . .

– iciT, rogor saarako adgilas vcxovrob? fanjridan rom gavixedav, xelisguliviT Cans Cemi qaTqaTa da Tbili baTumi. TvalismomWrelia misi silmaze. baTumidan Sors rom var, ase mgonia, wyurvili mawuxebs, Semoval baTumSi da. . . TiTqos lodi aiRes gulidan, ise vmsubuqdebi.

`miyvars baTumi gulRia da suliT

mdidari,

misi quCebis oxSivari ayuCebs

tkivils,

miyvars baTumze monaTxrobi asi

zRapari,

versad ver vnaxe me qalaqi sxvagan

amgvari~.