„ჩემი პერსონაჟები ღვთიური გზით მიმავალი ადამიანები არიან“. . .
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SarSan, TebervalSi, roca baTumel mweral lali ormocaZes prestiJuli literaturuli jildo – daviT aRmaSeneblis saxelobis endalma da medali gadasces. bevrma gaiziara mwerlis sixaruli, gansakuTrebiT ki maT, vinc mwerlobaSi am qalbatonis dauRalav, Tavdadebul, SemoqmedebiT saqmianobas adevnebs Tvals. mwerlis mxatvruli samyaro saintereso da retrospeqtulia. warsulis mRelvare, boboqari dReebisa da momentebis gacocxlebiT gvaziarebs igi im esTetikur simaRles, romlis sulSi amozrda Cveni gaadamianurebis, gankacebis wyaroa. amis Tqmis safuZvels iZleva misi vrceli romani `paemani zecaSi~. RvTiuri ZRveni TanamedroveTaTvis – vinc waikiTxa, ase aRiqva es nawarmoebi, vfiqrob, vinc awi waikiTxavs, uTuod ipovis im iSviaT marcvals, mere jejilad rom aRmocendeba da Cvens sulebs gazrdis. diax, rogorc Tavad ambobs, ase xdeba imitom, rom wigni sunTqavs, is cocxali arsebaa.
Caswvde adamianis bunebas da daniSnulebas, Seqmna RirseulTa, TavdadebulTa da moRvaweTa saintereso galerea, did gonebriv da emociur mdgradobas, mzaobas moiTxovs da lali ormocaZe swored, am TvisebebiT gamoirCeva.
axla mwerali gamosacemad amzadebs eseebis krebuls: `RvTaebrivi mogzauri~. . . `personaJebi Tavad mewvevian da cocxldebian~ – gvimxels igi da Tavis sulier samyaroSi gviwvevs samogzaurod.
maS, ase, dRevandeli nomris stumaria cnobili mwerali lali ormocaZe.
– vin var me? – roca am SekiTxvas usvamT sakuTar Tavs. . . mainc, vin xarT: – orTodoqsi Tu Tavisuflad moazrovne?
– saintereso SekiTxvaa. rac Seexeba mcnebas `orTodoqsi~ iTvaliswinebs marTlmadidebeli qristianis mrwams, romlis pasuxad mkiTxveli axlo momavalSi gaecnoba Cems axal krebuls `me var marTlmadidebeli!~ aRniSnuli naSromis daniSnuleba da amosavali wyaro gaxlavT pirovnebaSi sulierebis amaRleba. cxadia, miuRebeli dogmebiT SeboWili suli verasodes hpovebs Tavisuflebas. Tavisuflebis mniSvneloba mravalferovania. vfiqrob, nebis TavisuflebaSi gamoixateba pirovnebis Sinagani TviTgamorkveva sikeTisa da borotebis mimarT. sulieri Tavisufleba, es aris zeciuri jildo, romelsac ufali aniWebs Tavis msgavssa da xats mxolod qristianuli cxovrebiT. ,,sadac aris suli uflisa, iqvea Tavisufleba~ (mociquli pavle. 2. kor. 3, 17), rac gulisxmobs gonebis, gulis, nebisa da sxeulis ganaxlebas qristes moZRvrebis Sesabamisad. Tuki Cven qristes msgvavsni da xati varT, unda gvaxsovdes sakuTari pirovnebis orbunebovneba, rac pirovnebis qvecnobierSi iwvevs `me~-sa da meore `me~-s Soris ganuwyvetliv Widils, mRelvarebas, SeTanxmeba-verSeTanxmebas, WeSmaritebis Ziebas adamianis grZelsa da mainc mokle, marTlac, wuTis sofelSi. adamiani movalea, piruTvnelad wrfeli, patiosani zraxvebiT, samarTlianad, qristianulad gansajos masSi arsebuli mTrgunveli ,,me“, romelic abrkolebs zeciuri ,,me“-s sulier aRmavlobas. amaRlebis sawindari TavisTavad gaxlavT Cadenili ukeTurobis aRiareba, monanieba, romlis Sedegi ucilobeli ziarebaa uflismier WeSmaritebasTan, romliTac iolad vipoviT sulieri Tavisflebisken mimaval gza-bilikebs. sawuTo sofelSi yovelive amaoa amaoTa Soris, mxolod zneobaa maradisi. dabolos, mogaxsenebT, diax, me gaxlavarT Tavis-ufali marTlmadidebeli!
– roca pirveli nawarmoebi gamoaqveyneT, rogori iyo mkiTxvelis reagireba, saerTod, inspiracia saidan modis?
– pirveli gaxldaT mcire moculobis Canaxati. maSin TerTmeti wlis viyavi. aivanze xviara, mwvaneTvaleba, Cemi sayvareli yvavili mqonda qoTniT Camokidebuli. im RamiT qari amovarda. diliT Camoglejili da dalewili damxvda. marTalia, mcenare gavacocxle, magram ver aRvwer, iseTi tkivili ganvicade da davwere yvavilis gancdebi. . . mSoblebis rCeviT gadavwere lamazad da mamaCemma fostiT gaagzavna maSindel sabavSvo Jurnal ,,dilaSi~. gamoqveynda. mTeli skola, samegobro, pedagogebi milocavdnen. es iyo didi muxti STagonebisa, xelaxla Semeqmna ukeTesi da axali. Hhoda, vwere da vwere. mimaCnia, STagonebis gareSe araferi ar iqmneba xelovnebis nebismier dargSi.
– mwerali yvela saukunis adamians elaparakeba, cxadia, Tqvenc. Tqveni arCevani istoriis romeli monakveTia da saerTod, ram ganapiroba Tqveni retrospeqtuli mimarTuleba?
– Cemi warsul epoqaTa sivrceebSi navardis safuZveli gaxlavT saqarTvelos da sxva qveynebis klasikur literaturasa da matianeTa siRrmeebis codnis interesi. arCevani ar arsebobs, mainteresebs yvela da yvelaferi. antikuri da Tanamedrovec. Tqven brZaneT, mwerali yvela saukunis adamians elaparakebao. diax da diax. dasturad diad goeTes moviSvelieb: `Zvirfaso megobaro, Cemi nawerebi ver iqneba popularuli, vinc amas fiqrobs da cdilobs, cdeba, isini araa dawerili masebisTvis, aramed calkeuli adamianebisTvis, romlebic imasve eZeben, rasac me veZeb, da iziareben Cems miswrafebebs. . .… me aTaswleulebSi vcxovrob~. . .… veTanxmebi goeTes da iqve vwer: – da vinc CemTan erTad inebebs usasrulo galaqtikaSi RvTaebriv mogzaurobas, mxolod imaT vepatiJebi mxurvale siwrfeliT, Tuki goeTesaviT imasve eZebT, rasac me. . . da gana mxolod me da goeTe? naTlismcemel ioanes xmac ki wvdeba aTaswleulT cis samanebs. . . ,,nu gagikvirdebaT, rom giTxari: Tqven Tavidan unda iSvaT meTqi~ (ioane). ai, aseTi winasityvaobiT ixsneba Cemi axali, gamosacemi eseebis krebuli, romelsac vuwode ,,RvTaebrivi mogzauri~. me isev warsulSi var da amJamad vmuSaob sakmaod vrcel, mniSvnelovan Txzulebaze – meCvidmete saukunis saqarTvelos mwvave socialur-politikuri viTareba, urTierToba sxva qveynebTan. . . osmaleTi, sparseTi, safrangeTi, ruseTi. . . vaxtang meeqvsis mefobis periodi. . .
– Caswvde adamianis bunebas da daniSnulebas – mwerlis am valis Sesrulebisas yurdaRebas raze amaxvilebT, ra saxis literaturuli Sroma giwevT, anu rogor acocxlebT personaJebs, misi gansaxovnebisTvis ra mxatvrul xerxebs iyenebT da a. S.
– iciT, ra xdeba? Tuki Zalian mimizida romelime epoqam, fiqriT mawvala, isev davubrundebi, Rrmad da safuZvlianad Seviswavli sando wyaroebze dayrdnobiT. mere TavisTavad, daugegmavad modis ideebi. . . ideebis paralelurad, Sesabamisi epoqis personaJebic Tavad mewvevian, cocxldebian. me rac unda movindomo, Cems Wkuaze ar da ver momyvebian. piriqiT, isini moZraoben, ganicdian, cxovroben TavianTi cxovrebiT. mxardamxar, erTad miveSurebiT mocemul samyaroSi, mTavaria, me kalmiT davewio da raime ar gamomrCes Cauwereli, aranair mxatvrul xerxebs ar daveZeb, Tavad personaJebi iqmnian suliersa da fizikur samoselsac imis mixedviT, vinc arian isini.
– lalaktioni giwodaT erTma literaturulma gurmanma, Tqveni vrceli moTxroba rom waikiTxa galaktionze. . . mogviTxreT am nawarmoebze, ram STagagonaT, rogor SeasxiT frTebi dasaxul mizans?
– diax, da es literaturuli gurmani gaxlavT niWieri musikosi, Cveni Tanaqalaqeli, batoni SoTa dumbaZe. dasaxuli miznis frTebis Sesxmas me rogor gavbedavdi didi galaktionis winaSe? ufalma gaiRo mowyaleba da bumberazma poetma Tavad Semasxa frTebi. wlebis winaT galaktionis saxl-muzeumis ezodan, galas fanjarasTan ayvavilebuli iasamnis rto wamoviRe. gavaxare da dRes ukve fesvebmoZlierebuli Cems ezoSi (guria) sunTqavs, cocxlobs, rokavs, poeziis melodiiT SariSurobs. usaSvelod bednieri var am gaugonari saocrebiT. Aaseve, mzad maqvs gamosacemad krebuli ,,me da mefe~, romlis prezentacia aucileblad unda Catardes WyviSeli xelmwifis mSobliur ezo-karSi! galaktioni? CemSi Casaxlda galaktioni! da axlac, diax axlac veCurCulebi diadi poetis imier muzas, galaqtikuri galaktionis ukurnebeli sigiJis seniT me davsneuldi. . . ver ganvikurne. . . gala! SenTan var! ara var meri, ocnebis qali, es me var, Seni sigiJis qari! var Zowisferi, elvare lali, almasis qvaSi vTrTi naperwkali!… cidan mocekvavs wvimebis TqeSi, talRa orkestrobs aqafebuli, rokviT ifrqveva, viT brolis Sxefi, gala mocuravs cxadad xiluli. . . hoi! mTis CanCqeriviT moniaRvarda, miTosSi iSva lurja raSebiT mxedari mzisa, usasrulobis daric, avdaric, aTaswleulTa mze-avangardic. . . ha, gierTdebiT sazvarako, tarigis jvariT, nirvanas RmerTi, viT avatari. . . da avedevne, kvnesa-godebiT, viT mTvareuli, WkuaSeSlili. . . – gatuniaa, galaa, Sen geCveneba, me var sizmari? ar daijero! Seni jilagis var lerwi vazis, Seni xateba, var Seni msgavsi. . . hoda, gamiRe, gamiRe Seni samaris saganTiado, riJraJis kari, ar meguleba sxva sarkofagi, Sens sasaxleSi unda Cavsaxlde mze, uCinari. . .
– rwmena, rogorc RvTiuri niWi da RvTiuri ZRveni – aseTi gaazrebiT fiqsirdebian Tqveni personaJebi Cvens warmodgenaSi. Tqven romels gamoarCevT?
– Cemi personaJebi, TiTqmis yvelani, RvTiuri gziT mimavali adamianebi arian. nebismieri dialogis, moqmedebis finali gaxlavT marTlmadideblobis WeSmaritebis aRiareba, rac dasturdeba azriT, rom kacobrioba gaCenis dRidan orkecad gaxldaT uflis erTaderT pirmSo – ieso qristeze! molodini gamarTlda! iSva kacTa codvebis mxsneli! CvenTvis jvarcmuli, sulis gadamrCeneli! rac Seexeba pirovnebis gamorCevas, Tamamad vacxadeb, rom Txzulebis ,,paemani zecaSi~ – personaJi lile bagrationi gaxlavT – WeSmariti marTlmadidebeli! marTlac, zeRvTiuri niWiT dajildoebuli, uflisgan boZebuli auwoneli ganZi! darwmunebuli var, igive gancda daeufleba mkiTxvelsac nawarmoebis gacnobisas.
– roca vrcel nawarmoebs qmniT, sublimacias xSirad mimarTavT? rogor gexmarebaT es meTodi mxatvruli saxis gamoZerwvaSi? `paemani zecaSi~ – am romanis saxismetyveleba ra esTetikur princips efuZneba da Tqveni azriT, ras SesZens mkiTxvels misi wakiTxva?
– Tqveni SekiTxva gulisxmobs axali, moWarbebuli energiiT personaJis gacocxlebas mxatvruli saxiT. Cemi mxridan albaT, es movlenac TavisTavad xdeba, rasac asazrdoebs warmomavlobis genetikuri, winaparTa fesvebis siRrmis mexsiereba, sisxlis yivili, miwieridan zeciurisken sulieri ltolva, risi dasturic gaxlavT TxzulebaSi mocemuli epistolur-filosofiuri xasiaTis STambeWdavi msjeloba. mTavari azri am baraTebisa gaxlavT msjeloba cxovrebis arsis SecnobisaTvis, adamianis am qveynad movlinebis misia, daniSnuleba, risTvis modis adamiani? Tumca, Txzuleba mravalferovani JanriT gajerebuli mxatvruli literatura gaxlavT. romanSi vecnobiT georgievskis traqtatis Semdgom droindeli epoqis viTarebas, samSoblodan gadaxvewil, bagratovanTa samefo Stos erT-erTi STamomavlis cxovrebas safrangeTSi. TxzulebaSi gadmocemulia qarTveli da frangi xalxebis adreuli saukuneebidan ganviTarebuli, megobruli, kulturuli, sarwmunoebrivi urTierTobebi Tanamedroveobamde, romliTac uTuod dainteresdeba qarTveli da frangi mkiTxveli. mocemulia saqarTvelos warsuli antikuridan dRemde, aseve, aRwerilia samoci taZris xuroTmoZRvreba Tanamdevi istoriuli faqtebiT. vfiqrob, es saubari Sors wagviyvans da cxadia, Tu survili geqnebaT, umjobesia, Tavad gaecnoT nawarmoebs da ras SesZens mkiTxvels, esec sruliad naTeli gaxdeba.
– drois ukan dabruneba rom SegeZloT, romel epoqaSi isurvebdiT cxovrebas, Tu momavalSi gamgzavrebas amjobinebdiT?
– amJamindeli yofierebidan drois nebismier sivrceebsa da droSi vmogzaurob! momavalSi ki aucileblad vewvevi isev dedis miwas!
– guli gwydebaT, did wignebs ar kiTxulobeno. Tqveni azriT, ratom da maT biblioTerapiis sikeTes xom ar SeaxsenebdiT?
– teqnikis civilizaciis miRweva, ganviTareba misasalmebelia, magram zogierTi sfero adamianma borotad gamoiyena sakuTarive gonebis dasaClungeblad. biblioTerapiiT goneba xsnilia, wigni sunTqavs, is cocxali arsebaa.
– zog xelovans Tavi ucxoplanetelad miaCnia, Tqven?
– warmoudgenlad mimaCnia ucxoplaneteloba, Cemi Soreuli fesvebi usasrulod aris erTmaneTze gadawnuli Cemive ZirZveli saqarTvelos miwa-mamulSi.
– Tqvens sulier naTesavad vis TvliT da ra gizidavT maTSi?
– vrceli sakiTxia sagazeTo formatisTvis, Tumca dausruleblad SemiZlia gesaubroT (movawyoT megobruli, literaturuli saRamo) – galaktioni, tato, konstantine, robaqiZe, yanCeli, goTua, gudiaSvili, balzaki, goeTe, Sopeni, amadeo, da’vinCi, miqelanjelo. . .
– wignma forma icvala, beWduri Tu eleqtronuli – romels amjobinebT?
– cxadia, beWduri!
– roca xvalindel dReze fiqrobT. . .
– Cemi samSoblos gabrwyineba, rac qarTveli eris Zlierebis saZirkvelia!
– qarTuli ena dRes da momavalSi. ras unda vufrTxildeT?
– rac yvelaze metad maSfoTebs, es gaxlavT enis gardacvaleba. Cvenve vklavT da vanadgurebT uflismier enas barbarizmebis korianteliT. enis gardacvaleba eris gaqrobaa!
– baTumi – ra ferSi aRiqvamT?
– Cemi sunTqva, Cemi mSobliuri baTumi maradiulad gariJraJisferia.
– samyarov, damigde yuri – Tu ase mivmarTavT samyaros, ra unda iyos Cveni gzavnili?
– adamianebo, kacobriobis gadarCenisTvis SeiyvareT erTmaneTi!
