,, ჩრდილოვანი კაბინეტი” ჩამოყალიბების სტადიაზეა

ირმა ცეცხლაძე 27 48 93

`ukrainas Tavi daaneba da aWaraSi gadawyvita sakuTari mTavrobis Camoyalibeba ambiciebis dasakmayofileblad~ – am sityvebiT gaxmovanda pirvelad Cvens regionSi virtualuri anu alternatiuli mTavrobis Camoyalibebis Sesaxeb, ramac sakmaoze meti aJiotaJi gamoiwvia xelisuflebaSi da Seafiqriana `qarTuli ocnebis~ cnobili saxeebi. miuxedavad imisa, rom jer kidev bolomde araferia cnobili da es Canafiqri sawyis etapzea, ukve midis misi aqtiuri ganxilva. amitom, gadavwyviteT, Tavad `erTiani nacionaluri moZraobis~ wevrebTan gavarkvioT, rasTan gvaqvs saqme, xolo poziciis reaqcia Semdeg nomerSi SemogTavazoT. gTavazobT ramdenime miniintervius:

asmaT diasamiZe, umaRlesi sabWos wevri:
– es idea qveynis mesame prezidents mixeil saakaSvils ekuTvis. Cven, aWaris mkvidrni, pirvelebi viyaviT, vinc am gadawyvetilebas dauWira mxari. vgulisxmob regionSi `Crdilovani mTavrobis~ Camoyalibebas. kargia, rom Seiqmneba alternatiuli mTavroba. daaxloebiT 20 axalgazrdaa CarTuli am etapze da irCeven sferoebs sakuTari profesiebidan gamomdinare. isini Seiswavlian biujets, proeqtebs, ganixilaven, ramdenad vargisiania esa Tu is saqme, romelSic mosaxleobis fuli midis. mokled rom vTqvaT, gacxrilaven yvela iniciativas.
– qalbatono asmaT, ra roli gekisrebaT Tqven da sxva yofil Tanamdebobis pirebs?
– Cven varT maTi mentorebi, anu gavuziarebT gamocdilebas. marTlac saintereso gamodga Cvens aqtivistebTan am kuTxiT muSaoba. isini iziareben Cvens ideologias, opoziciur frTas uWeren mxars. jer bolomde ar vici, vin romel sferos Caudgeba saTaveSi, magram aucileblad gavaJRerebT, rogorc ki dazustdeba… is, rom Tema aqtualuria da Zalian seriozuladac miiRo `ocnebam~, Cans Tundac imaSi, rom yvela `niusSi~ amas acxadeben. vinc aSavebs, imas eSinia kontrolis… diax, levan varSalomiZec miiRebs am proeqtSi monawileobas, gauziarebs axalgazrdebs sakuTar gamocdilebas, rac, darwmunebuli var, Zalian gamoadgebaT samomavlod.

mirdat qamadaZe, baTumis sakrebulos fraqcia `erTiani nacionaluri moZraobis~ Tavmjdomare:
– ar vici, am mTavrobis Camoyalibebis winadadeba saidan modis, magram is, rom Crdilovani kabineti evropis qveynebis TiTqmis yvela politikur partias gaaCnia, es ar aris axali. Cveulebrivi praqtikaa, iqidan gamomdinare, rom arCevnebis win partiebs sakuTari programebis garda konkretuli gundic unda hyavdeT, rom mosaxleobam icodes, am programas romeli adamianebi ganaxorcieleben da ramdenad iqnebian isini momzadebulni. amaSi cudi araferia, piriqiT, sworic aris, radgan amomrCeveli gaecnoba konkretul adamianebs, an endoba maT Semdgom, an – ara. mxolod da mxolod amas emsaxureba es gadawyvetileba, meti informirebuloba iqneba. pirovnebebs, romlebic arCevnebis Sedegad Caanacvleben mTavrobas, sakuTari xedva unda gaaCndeT ekonomikis, soflis meurneobis, ganaTlebis, jandacvis Tu socialuri sakiTxebis mogvarebis kuTxiT. is 20-mde axalgazrda, romelic am kabinetSi gawevriandeba, konkretul codnas Tu unar-Cvevebs SeiZens, raTa mzad iyvnen momaval arCevnebze sakuTari pozicia da siRrmiseuli TvalTaxedva daafiqsiron.
– batono mirdat, cnobili saxeebi ratom ar Sedian `Crdilovan kabinetSi~, fiqrobT, maT xmas aRar miscemen?
– cnobili saxeebic movlen xelisuflebaSi arsebulis Casanacvleblad da axlebic. mTavari gzavnilia – swored axlebiT warvsdgeT amomrCevelTa winaSe. jer kidev ar aris garkveuli yvelaferi da roca dakonkretdeba, ufro ioli iqneba am Temaze saubari… xedavT, pozicia sul am Temaze saubrobs. gasagebia, rom marTlac SeeSindaT, rac isev da isev maT arakompetenturobaze migvaniSnebs. risi SeeSindaT? Tuki sworad marTav saxelmwifos, gyavs profesionali kadrebi da ar arRvev kanoniT dadgenil CarCoebs, maSin arafris geSinia. piriqiT, miiReb SeniSvnasac. swored es aris `Crdilovani kabinetis~ ZiriTadi funqcia. mas eqneba sakuTari mosazrebebi, kiTxvebi ama Tu im programaze, romelsac xelisufleba axorcielebs. `kabineti~ SesTavazebs maT alternatiul xedvas, imas, rac sworad miaCnia sazogadoebis umetesobas. Aucilebelia amis gakeTeba, radgan 7 wlis ganmavlobaSi mmarTvelma gundma arc erTi proeqti srulyofilad ar ganaxorciela. `kabineti~ am SemTxvevaSi auxsnis sazogadoebas ra, rogor, ra vadebSi da visi meSveobiT unda ganxorcielebuliyo. konkretul qmedebebs dasaxavs, ris Semdegac darwmundeba sazogadoeba, vin risi gamkeTebelia realurad da ra jobia regionisa da qveynisaTvis… bolo saprezidento arCevnebma gviCvena, rom maRalia Cveni reitingi, milionamde adamianma dagviWira mxari.
– rogorc iTqva, mmarTveli gundi apirebs garkveuli nabijebis gadadgmas virtualuri mTavrobis sawinaaRmdegod – Tqveni komentari?
– gaaCnia, ra nabijebs gadadgamen. Tu yurebs gamoifxeken da raime kargs gaakeTeben regionisa da qveynisaTvis, amis winaaRmdegi namdvilad ar viqnebiT, magram Tu es Seicavs muqaras, maSin kidev erTxel gamoCndeba maTi uunaroba da sisulele. ukve yvelasTvis gasagebi iqneba, rom aucilebelia xelisuflebis droulad Secvla.

 

gia abulaZe, aWaris umaRlesi sabWos deputati:
– moulodneli namdvilad ar yofila CemTvis es gadawyvetileba, radgan regionis sakanonmdeblo organoSi vmuSaob da kargad vxedav, irgvliv rac xdeba, ra keTdeba. jer kidev 2016 wlis arCevnebis wina periodSi gavasajaroeT ministrTa kabinetis Semadgenloba, Cveni xelisuflebaSi mosvlis SemTxvevaSi. msgavsi ram xSiria mowinave qveynebis politikur cxovrebaSi, anu Tuki partias xelisuflebaSi mosvlis ambicia gaaCnia, is asaxelebs Tavis gunds. arsebul mTavrobas aSkarad SeeSinda amis, panikaSi Cavarda, isterika daemarTa mxolod da mxolod imitom, rom axalgazrdebi Seikribnen da ganacxades: gveqneba axali mosazreba, xedva ama Tu im sakiTxTan dakavSirebiT, romelsac gavuziarebT mosaxleobas, anu gasuli saukunis 90-iani wlebidan gadmoyolili sabWoTa teqnokratebis nacvlad qveynis saTaveSi mcodne, axalgazrda profesionalebi movlen. ra aris amaSi miuRebeli? `qarTul ocnebas~ aSinebs ramdenime adamianis Sekrebac ki, araTu sazogadoebis am doneze konsolidacia ama Tu im mowinave ideis irgvliv. xom naxeT lieJSi, saakaSvilis emigrantebTan da Tavis TanagundelebTan Sekrebisas ra moxda? `ocnebam~ belgiaSi sakuTar aqtivistebTan erTad specsamsaxurebis xalxi gadasxa, yvela erTianad iyo mobilizebuli iq, sadac ramdenime aseuli adamiani Seikriba gansxvavebuli politikuri Sexedulebebis dasafiqsireblad. eg iyo samarcxvino, isteriuli qmedeba xelisuflebis mxridan.
– ratom gaakeTa saakaSvilma aqcenti emigrantebze, fiqrobs, rom ucxoeTSi gadaxvewil adamianebze met gavlenas moaxdens pirispir, radgan samSobloSi ver Camodis?
– qarTvel emigrantebs saqarTvelos cxovrebaSi eniWeba yvelaze meti datvirTva, radgan swored isini, mZime SromiT arCenen qveynis mosaxleobis naxevarze mets. ucxoeTidan am Tanxebis gadmogzavna rom Sewyviton, ivaniSvilis mTavroba momentalurad daTmobs xelisuflebas da gaiqceva, radgan damSeuli, gamwarebuli xalxi kargs arafers uzams. warmoidgineT, daaxloebiT ormiliardnaxevari igzavneba saqarTveloSi wlis ganmavlobaSi. `qarTuli ocnebis~ warmomadgenlebi imasac ver xvdebian, daelaparakon am adamianebs, gaigon, ra saxis mxardaWeras saWiroeben. milionebs xarjaven sxvadasxva mivlinebaSi da arasodes moucliaT qveynis sarCenad saqarTvelodan gaxiznuli adamianebisTvis… amas Tavi davaneboT, nebismieri axali winadadebasa Tu TvalsazrisTan dakavSirebiT gamarTuli Tavyrilobis da sajaro gamosvlebis dros, Tuki ewinaaRmdegeba `ocnebas~, emarTebaT isterika, rac mowmobs, rom sakuTar skamebs ver elevian… risi eSiniaT, axalgazrdebis, romlebic rogorc patriotebi, profesionalebi warsdgebian amomrCevelTa winaSe sakuTari realuri proeqtebiT? krizisSia `qarTuli ocneba~, is xom mxolod yofili sabWoTa, korumpirebuli Cinovnikebis amara darCa. gadaxedeT maT programebs, arc erTi yofila warmatebuli. ramden fuls xarjaven ise, rom arafers akeTeben. amaze pasuxi unda agon. konkretulad ra xmardeba xalxs kidev gasarkvevia. naxeT Cveni kvlevebi, darwmundiT – namdvilad saintereso suraTs miiRebT. xom xedavT – mosaxleoba aSkarad ukmayofiloa. imis nacvlad, `nacionaluri moZraobis~ qmedebebs Causafrdnen, jobs kabinetebidan xalxSi gavidnen da naxon, mosaxleobas ra uWirs realurad.

giorgi diasamiZe, umaRlesi sabWos deputati:
– adrec gvqonda msagvsi mcdeloba, Camogveyalibebina alternatiuli mTavroba, rac praqtikaSi aqvT ucxour qveynebs. es kargi skolaa im adamianebisTvis, vinc realurad apirebs xelisuflebaSi mosvlas da muSaobas qveynis sakeTildReod…
– zogierTi, saakaSvilis am axal gadawyvetilebas qveyanaSi areulobis Seqmnis mcdelobad afasebs
– mimaCnia, rom didi xania, rac `qarTuli ocneba~ samedicino kvlevebs saWiroebs. Tu xvdeba es xalxi, sad cxovrobs? gasarkvevia, ramdenad adekvaturebi arian. es aris Cveulebrivi bodva, rac maT axasiaTebT. 20-30 kaci imuSavebs dokumentebTan, romel areulobasa da destabilizaciazea laparaki? areulobas ras eZaxian `qarTul ocnebaSi~, es kidev sakiTxavia. Tuki isini safuZvlian, kvalificiur, yoveldRiur kritikas areulobas uwodeben, maSin wavidnen saxlebSi, politikur procesebs Tavisi kanonebi da wesebi gaaCnia… yvela svams kiTxvas, ratom axalgazrdebi? me piradad 24 wlis win aviRe diplomi, viRacam ki SarSan. faqtia, rom Cemgan gansxvavebiT, mas sul sxva xedvebi, axali Tvalsazrisi aqvs da Tanamedrove standartebiT azrovnebs. miuxedavad imisa, rom arsad umuSaviaT, originaluri xedva gaaCniaT. aq ar aris saubari cnobil saxeebze, maT isedac icnobs Tqveni mkiTxveli. aucilebelia swrafad gamovzardoT Taoba, mivceT maT saTanado kvalifikacia, raTa icodnen, ras kideben xels, rasTan eqnebaT saqme, Cveni gamocdileba ki maT bevri Secdomis Tavidan acilebaSi daexmareba… saakaSvilma emigraciaze ki ara, qveynis mosaxleobaze gaakeTa gaTvla. qveynis mosaxleobis naxevari gasulia ucxoeTSi meore naxevris sarCenad. isini Zalian didi Tanxis Semomtanebi arian saqarTveloSi. unda daarsdes axali sistema, romelic maT qveynis politikur cxovrebaSi aqtiur monawileobas uzrunvelyofs. SesaZloa, eg sul ar darCes Cemi partiisaTvis momgebiani da sul sxva partiebs miscemen xmas, magram es aucileblad unda gakeTdes.

giorgi kirTaZe, `erTiani nacionaluri moZraobis~ baTumis organizaciis Tavmjdomare:
– ar vici, ratom SeirCa aWara `Crdilovani mTavrobis~ Camosayalibeblad. albaT imitom, rom aq gadawyda axalgazrdebTan Sexvedrisas garkevuli jgufis Seqmna, romelic gaakontrolebda mTavrobis gadawyvetilebebs, rig proeqtebs, sxvadasxva sferoSi ganxorcielebul iniciativebs, gaaanalizebda maT da aucileblobis SemTxvevaSi gaasajaroebda iq arsebul xarvezebs. axalgazrdebi specialobebis mixedviT gadanawildebian Tematur jgufebad da imuSaveben saministroebidan miRebul dokumentaciaze. ratom gaxda es amodena aJiotaJis gamomwvevi, ar gvesmis. Tuki partias eyoleba adamianTa jgufi, romelic, magaliTad, soflis meurneobas Seiswavlis da fermerebs SesTavazebs konkretul programebs, ra aris amaSi miuRebeli… ra SuaSia destabilizacia da areuloba… Zroxebi rom Camoiyvana futkaraZem aWaraSi da axla arc ki ician, sad gaqra es pirutyvi, amas ar sjobda droze garkveuliyo yvelaferi da maT magivrad mefutkreoba ganeviTarebinaT?! xom miiRebdnen realur Sedegs! 2016-Si mTavrobis wevrebic ki davasaxeleT, magram msgavsi gamoxmaurebebi ar mohyolia. sazogadoebam normalur faqtad miiCnia, rom es adamianebi gaxdebodnen ministrebi Cveni partiis gamarjvebis SemTxvevaSi. darwmunebuli var, biZina ivaniSvils eSinia `gaerTianebuli opoziciis~ da sworadac eSinia, radgan yvelafers gavakeTebT, rom politikuri sarbielidan gavuSvaT. amitom daviwyeT mzadeba axla, win viyurebiT, raTa Cveni momzadebuli kadrebi welgamarTuli mividnen amomrCevelTan da muSaobis mTel am process udidesi pasuxismgeblobiT moekidon.
`erTiani nacionaluri moZraobis~ warmomadgenelTa pozicias ewinaaRmdegebian `qarTuli ocnebis~, xelisuflebis wevrebi da Tvlian, rom maT mosazrebebSi aSkara winaaRmdegobebi SeiniSneba, rasac iolad SeamCnevs politizebuli mkiTxveli. rogorc TavSive aRvniSneT, maT Tvalsazriss momdevno nomerSi gagacnobT.