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saqarTvelos winaSe mravali gamowvevaa: socialuri, ekonomikuri, politikuri. . . aucilebelia qveynis demokratiis xarisxis kidev ufro amaRleba, saarCevnod civiluri garemos uzrunvelyofa. dasavleTs ar unda Seeparos eWvi arCevnebis legitimurobaSi. opoziciisa da evroparlamentarebis ukmayofileba gamoiwvia kanonproeqtma `ucxouri gavlenis gamWvirvalobis Sesaxeb~, romelic, maTi azriT, antidasavluri Sinaarsisaa, aseve, eWvi eparebaT, rom mmarTveli gundi evrorekomendaciebs Seasrulebs, rasac ar eTanxmeba xelisufleba da aRniSnavs, rom opozicia, rogorc yovelTvis, dezinformaciis tiraJirebiTaa dakavebuli. garda amisa, gvarwmunebs, rom arCevnebs sanimuSod Caatarebs. am da sxva aqtualur sakiTxebze vesaubrebiT partia
`lelo saqarTvelosTvis~ aWaris axalgazrduli organizaciis erT-erT lider arCil beriZes.
– opoziciis warmomadgenlebi uaryofiTad afasebT mmarTveli partiis mier inicirebul kanonproeqts `ucxouri gavlenis gamWirvalobis Sesaxeb~, Tumca `qarTuli ocnebis~ wevrebi acxadeben, rom opoziciis braldebebi usafuZvloa, ras fiqrobT?
– e.w. rusul kanonze sazogadoebam ukve mtkice uari ganacxada. gasul wels Cven avxseniT, ratom gvaSorebda am kanonis miReba evrokavSirTan da saqarTvelos ganviTarebis gzas rogor aferxebda. am kanoniT `qarTul ocnebas~ ara gamWvirvalobis gazrda, aramed sazogadoebis kritikuli da obieqturi azris devna surs. martivi Tezisia, rom gamWvirvalobis gazrdas ar sWirdeba vinmesTvis iarliyis miwebeba.
– saqarTvelos prezidentma am sakiTxTan dakavSirebiTac gaakritika xelisufleba, evropuli kursis sabotaJSi daadanaSaula. Tavis mxriv kaxi kalaZem aRniSna, rom salome zurabiSvili qveynis sazianod moqmedebs, Tqveni azri amis Sesaxeb. . .
– salome zurabiSvili qveynis evrointegraciis sakiTxSi swor pozicias afiqsirebs, roca xelisuflebas akritikebs. diax, `qarTuli ocneba~ yvela gziT cdilobs saqarTvelos evropisgan daSorebas da sagareo kursis ruseTisken warmarTvas. rac Seexeba kalaZes, zogadad, `ocnebis“ warmomadgenlebs demagogia kargad gamosdiT.
– rogor fiqrobT, SeZlebs mmarTveli partia meoTxejer xelisuflebaSi darCenas?
– saarCevno maraToni Zalian rTul da mZime pirobebSi warimarTeba. xelisufleba Zalauflebis SesanarCuneblad arc dapirispirebas da Zaladobas moerideba. `qarTuli ocnebis~ damarcxeba martivi procesi ar iqneba, magram sazogadoebas surs qveynis evropuli kursiT ganviTareba. amitomac mjera, rom Tu opozicia swori, Tanmimdevruli nabijebiT warmarTavs process, xelisufleba Seicvleba.
– sxvaTa Soris, mmarTveli gundis wevrebi imasac aRniSnaven, rom saarCevno bariers mxolod `nacmoZraoba~ daZlevs, ras fiqrobT?
– „qarTul ocnebas“ surs, rom mTavari opoziciuri Zala „nacionaluri moZraoba“ iyos, radgan am partiis mankieri warsulidan gamomdinare, misi mtris xatad warmoCena martivia, magram es mxolod xelisuflebis wevrebis survilia. saarCevno bariers araerTi prodasavluri opoziciuri partia gadalaxavs, romelTac eqnebaT koaliciuri mTavrobis Camoyalibebis SesaZlebloba. `lelo~, romelic, am mocemulobiT arCevnebze damoukideblad gegmavs gasvlas, am procesebSi wamyvan adgils daikavebs.
– opozociur flangze gamoCnda partia `axali~ nika meliasa da nika gvaramias TaosnobiT, rogoria am partiis Sansi?
– partia `axali~ sakmaod perspeqtiuli Cans. ra Tqma unda, maTi Sedegi maTsave Tanmimdevrul nabijebzea damokidebuli. vfiqrob, maTi mxardamWeri `nacmoZraobis~ amomrCevlis is nawili iqneba, romelic miSasadmi fanatikurad ar aris ganwyobili da daiRala `nacmoZraobis~ da `qarTuli ocnebis~ flirtiT. yvelaferi win aris da prognozireba rTulia, magram, vfiqrob, `axalisTvis~ barieris daZlevis Sansi realuria.
– mainc romeli partiebi gadalaxven saarCevno bariers, Tqveni azriT?
– rTulia winaswar konkretuli partiebis reitingebis prognozireba, radgan qarTuli politikuri amindi sruliad araprognozirebadi da moulodnelobebiT savsea. Tanac, opozicias jer winasaarCevno kampania ar dauwyia. kidev erTxel vambob, absoluturad realuria, rom am arCevnebis Sedegad xelisufleba Seicvalos da Camoyalibdes koaliciuri mTavroba, amisTvis aucilebelia opoziciis Sedegze orientirebuli, Tanmimdevruli nabijebi da sazogadoebis realuri problemebis dRis wesrigSi gamotana. metic, darwmunebiT getyviT, rom `lelo~ erT-erTi wamyvani Zala iqneba am arCevnebze, radgan Cven vpasuxobT sazogadoebis dakveTas – `lelo~ warmoadgens axalgazrda, kargi warsulis mqone axali saxeebis gaerTianebas, gvaqvs saarCevno programa, mkafio sagareo politikuri xedva, romelic prodasavluria da gvsurs, `nacionaluri moZraobisa~ da `qarTuli ocnebis~ tandemis garRveva.
– ramdenad mniSvnelovania oqtombris arCevnebi da misi Sedegebi saqarTvelosTvis?
– oqtombris arCevnebi qveynisTvis umniSvnelovanesia, vinaidan bevri ram gadawydeba. es arCevnebi gadawyvets qveynis samomavlo ganviTarebis gzas, sagareo kursis CaTvliT. evropa Tu ruseTi? es kiTxva xSirad ismis winasaarCevnod. imisTvis, rom saqarTvelo evropuli ganviTarebis gzas daadges da mogvardes iseTi socialuri problemebi, rogorebicaa umuSevroba, siRaribe, uimedoba, migracia da a.S. xelisufleba unda Caibaros prodasavluri opoziciuri politikuri partiebisgan Camoyalibebulma koaliciurma mTavrobam.
– udavoa, rom momaval arCevnebs dasavleTi didi yuradRebiT daakvirdeba, am mxriv kiTxvis niSnebi rom ar darCes, xelisuflebam ra unda moimoqmedos?
– xelisuflebis qmedebebSi ukve ikveTeba momavali arCevnebis rTul pirobebSi Catarebis niSnebi. xelisufleba mosyidvas, daSinebas, SantaJs ar moerideba da yvela xerxiT Seecdeba Zalauflebis SenarCunebas. amitomac Zalian mniSvnelovania dasavleTis mxridan arCevnebsa da winasaarCevno procesebze dakvirveba. imisTvis, rom kiTxvis niSnebi ar darCes, winasaarCevno garemo unda iyos Tanabari da mSvidi, naklebi daZabulobiT, magram `qarTuli ocnebisTvis~ aseTi garemo damarcxebis tolfasi iqneba, amitomac yvelanairad ecdeba situacia arios da daZabulobebi Seqmnas.
– dabolos, ramdenad seriozulia saqarTvelos sagareo safrTxeebi da ram SeiZleba gamoiwvios maTi eskalacia?
– `qarTuli ocnebis~ politika saqarTvelos strategiul partniorebTan urTierTobis daZabviskenaa mimarTuli ise, rom saqarTvelo ruseTis winaaRmdeg marto darCes. am SemTxvevaSi, ruseTisTvis saqarTvelos okupacia, ekonomikurad Tu teritoriis warTmeviT, umartivesi iqneba. dRes Tu raime akavebs ruseTs, es swored Cveni dasavleli partniorebia. sazogadoebam es faqtori unda gaiTvaliswinos da rodesac gadawyvetilebas miiRebs saarCevno kabinasTan, sakuTar Tavs dausvas kiTxva – rogori tipis saxelmwifoSi surs cxovreba, rusuli Tu evropuli? am kiTxvaze pasuxis gacemis Semdeg arCevanis miRebac aRar iqneba rTuli.