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26 oqtombris arCevnebis Semdeg opozicia meti daJinebiT amtkicebs, rom qarTuli politikuri saWadrako dafa cvlilebas moiTxovs, rasac, cxadia, mmarTveli partia ar iziarebs. erTi ram udavoa, awmyos, amJamindeli viTarebis gansja da Sefaseba xvalindeli, ukeTesi mermisis sawindaria, amitomac upriania, yuradRebiT movekidoT rogorc poziciis, ise opoziciis warmomadgenelTa Tvalsazriss. amjerad vesaubrebiT `girCi – meti Tavisuflebis~ aWaris organizaciis lider Temur gorgaZes.
– rogor SeafasebdiT saparlamento arCevnebs?
– arCevnebi ar gvqonia. rogorc saqarTvelos prezidentmac ganacxada, es iyo ruseTis mier saqarTveloSi Catarebuli specoperacia, saxelwodebiT `rogor movparoT qarTvel xalxs arCevanis ufleba~. samwuxarod, es asea da amas adasturebs is faqtic, rom es specoperacia arCevnebad aRiara vanuatum, tualum, venesuelam da sxva msgavsma qveynebma, romelTa did nawils afxazeTi da samxreT oseTic aqvT aRiarebuli, rogorc saxelmwifoebi.
– ra cxadyo am arCevnebma saSinao da sagareo politikis TvalsazrisiT?
– 26 oqtombris Semdeg yvelasTvis cxadi gaxda xelisuflebis mizani – Zalauflebis SenarCuneba nebismier fasad. qveynis SigniT yvela opoziciuri Zala gaerTianda, rom moqalaqeebma daibrunon saxelmwifo. igive igrZnoba qveynis gareTac. dasavlelma megobrebma mkafio mesijebi gamogvigzavnes da arCevnebis legitimuroba ar cnes. sagareo politikis TvalsazrisiT kidev erTxel dadasturda, rom `qarTuli ocneba~ realurad aris rusuli ocneba da qveyanas ruseTSi miaTrevs . . . cdilobs . . .
– opozicia da maT Soris Tqvenc acxadebT, rom arCevnebi gayalbda, mmarTveli partia sapirispiros amtkicebs, raime xelSesaxebi faqtebi gaqvT am mxriv?
– rac Seexeba faqtebs, modiT, martiv faqts mogiyvanT. gana sarwmunoa, rom am qveyanaSi yoveli meore ruseTis mxardamWeria?! anda mmarTveli partiis mxardamWeria?! rom `qarTulma ocnebam~ imdenive xma aiRo, ramdenic 2012-Si da yvela im arCevnebze meti, 2012-is mere rom Catarebula?! Aamis uarmyofeli faqti uamravia. arsebobs regionebi, sadac xmis micemis uflebis mqone adamianze meti xma aiRo `ocnebam~ (aq ar igulisxmeba im regionSi mcxovrebi). arsebobs faqtebi, rom mmarTvelma partiam erTi adamiani 30 ubnis bazaSi CatvirTa da atara uban-uban xmis misacemad. aseTi faqtebi mediaSic gaxmianda. sityva `kapitani~ SeazizRa `ocnebam~ xalxs. xaSureli mewarme qalebis ambavi ukve anekdotadaa qceuli. visac danaxva unda, xedavs, xolo rusuli `ocnebisgan~ sargebels vinc iRebs, is verfers dainaxavs. darRvevebis TviTmxilvelebi is damkvirveblebi da warmomadgenlebi arian, romlebic imyofebodnen saarCevno ubnebze. iwereboda saCivrebi, fotoebis da videoebis saxiT xdeboda darRvevis faqtebis gadaReba.
– mmarTveli partia acxadebs, rom opoziciis mizania qveynis destabilizacia, rasac xelisufleba ar dauSvebs. ras fiqrobT?
– mmarTveli partia ki arada, ruseTis filialia saqarTveloSi. maT saqarTvelos momavali waarTves da qveynis ruseTSi SeTreva undaT. eg xalxi bevr rames acxadebs. . . maT ar aqvT aranairi ufleba, isaubron qveynis saxeliT, xalxs isini ar aurCevia.
– xelisuflebis warmomadgenlebi acxadeben, rom saqarTvelo 2030 wels evrokavSiris wevri iqneba. . .
– xelisufleba ki acxadebs, magram evrokavSiri sxva rames ambobs. am mxriv, molaparakebebi ukve Sewyda, rekomendacia ar gaica momdevno etapze gadasasvlelad.
– `ar vapireb arCevnebis aRiarebas, radganac amis aRiareba aris ruseTis Semosvlis aRiareba qveyanaSi~, – acxadebs saqarTvelos prezidenti salome zurabiSvili. es risi maniSnebelia?
– diax, ruseTis batonobis aRiarebas niSnavs amis aRiareba, radgan am arCevnebis Sedegebs Tu davuSvebT, veTanxmebiT, rom xalxma airCia ruseTi, rac simarTle araa. rusuli kanonis winaaRmdeg gamarTuli aqciebis raodenoba aCvenebs imas, Tu ra surs xalxs, amitomac, cxadia, rom mogvpares arCevnebi. prezidenti ar aRiarebs, amerika ar aRiarebs, evrokavSiri ar aRiarebs. da vin aRiarebs? ruseTi, vanuatu, tualu, venesuela da a. S. amiTac ki martivi gasagebia, rom es ara arCevnebi, aramed, ruseTis guberniad gaformebis mcdeloba iyo.
– mmarTveli partiis wevrebi acxadeben, rom saqarTvelos prezidenti antisaxelmwifoebrivad moqmedebs da sazRvargareT qveynis imijs Tanmimdevrulad azianebs. . .
– mmarTveli partiis wevrebi – ara, rusuli reJimis warmomadgenlebi saqarTveloSi acxadeben, rom prezidenti, dasavleTi, aSS, evropa yvela arasworad moqmedebs da sworad mxolod ruseTi iqceva. Cveulebriv, prezidentis gaSavebiT arian dakavebulni, surT xalxSi SiSi daTeson da prezidentis instituti gamoacalon winaaRmdegobis am muxts.
– `nacmoZraoba~, `koalicia cvlilebisTvis~, `Zlieri saqarTvelo~ samoqmedo gegmebze saubroben, romelTa arsi imaSia, rom ar aRiareben am parlaments da Seecdebian axali arCevnebis Catarebas, gviambeT amis Sesaxeb. . .
– Sevecdebi aqac davazusto, pirveli – `nacmoZraoba~ – ara, gaerTianeba `erTianoba~, romlis wevri mxolod `nacionaluri moZraoba~ ar yofila. aseve am brZolis nawilia partia `gaxaria saqarTvelosTvis~. am oTx politikur subieqtTan TanamSromlobiT. es parlamenti aris aralegitimuri da mas arc dasavleTSi da arc qveynis SigniT aravin aRiarebs. am brZolam Sedegi gamoiRo da sagareo politikis nawilSi `ocneba~ keTrovani gaxda. mxolod venesuela da ruseTi arian axla mmarTveli partiis mokavSireebi, samoqmedo strategia ki 4 noembers, saRamos 7 saaTze gacxadda rusTavelze.
– eqspertTa nawili ar gamoricxavs, rom SesaZloa, opoziciis warmomadgenlebi gaurigdnen xelisuflebas da Sevidnen parlamentSi. . .
– savaraudod, `ocnebis~ proteJe eqspertebis sizmaria eg. am etapisTvis warmoudgenelia amaze fiqri, yvelas kargad aqvs gaazrebuli is safrTxe, romlis winaSec axla varT da xelisuflebasTan garigeba eSmakTan garigebas udris, amitom amas aravin apirebs.
– vxedavT, rom evroparlamentis warmomadgenlebma da dasavleTis zogierTma saxelmwifom SeSfoTeba gamoTqves saqarTveloSi Catarebul arCevnebTan dakavSirebiT. . .
– bunebrivia, SeSfoTebulni iqnebian. yvela saRad moazrovnes awuxebs am qveyanaSi demokratiis xarisxis da samarTliani arCevnebis nivelireba. Aaravis axarebs kidev erTi, patara ruseTis gaCena. mxolod SeSfoTebiT ar Semofarglula es procesi, ukve gasagebad gviTxres, rom evrokavSiris wevrobis kandidatis statusi Semdeg etapze ar gadava da rom molaparakebebi SeCerebulia. gasagebad da mkafiod Tqves, rom sanam am qveyanaSi rusul reJims aqvs mitacebuli mTavroba, Cven evrokavSiri unda daviviwyoT.
– dasavleli analitikosebi ar gamoricxaven, rom SesaZloa saqarTvelos vizaliberalizacia SeuCeron. ramdenad safuZveliania aseTi scenari?
– imis gaTvaliswinebiT, rom kandidatis statusi SegviCeres, sruliad mosalodnelia Semdegi nabiji es iyos. amaze kuluarebSi saubrebi ukve mimdinareobs kidec.
– kvlav arCevnebs davubrundeT, procesebis rogor ganviTarebas elodebiT?
– modiT, ase SevxedoT. sul sami gza gvaqvs. pirveli – SeveguoT imas, rom gavxdebiT ruseTis gubernia, an, maqsimum, belarusi. meore, gaviqceT am qveynidan yvela, vinc amas ar SeveguebiT da mesame – vibrZoloT Cveni da Cveni Svilebis momavlisTvis. esaa sul. meoTxe arCevans ver vxedav. Cven axla varT im etapze, roca quCaSi gavdivarT, bolomde vibrZviT da vigebT. samwuxarod, sxva realoba ar arsebobs. es aris erTaderTi gamosavali, qveyana gavaTavisufloT ruseTisgan.
– dabolos, ras elodebiT am oTxi wlis ganmavlobaSi politikuri speqtrisgan?
– imdenad swrafad icvleba situacia, rom ramis prognozireba rTulia. erTaderTi, rac SemiZlia vTqva, aris is, rom opozicia axla erTiania, Sesabamisad, brZola iqneba xangrZlivi, Tumca Sedegiani. axla gvaqvs SesaZlebloba, davamarcxoT is Wiri, ruseTi rom hqvia da kargia, rom am brZolaSi civiluri samyaro Cven gverdiT dgas.