„ლირიკული ლექსები მიყვარს, მოკლე, აზრიანი და მუსიკალური“

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poeti iamze beriZe Suaxevis raionis sofel tbeTSia dabadebuli. mkiTxvelma 20 wlis winaT gaicno krebulSi Setanili misi leqsebi. Semdeg misi avtorobiT gamoica leqsebis krebulebi: ,,TeTri gedi~, ,,Tovlis gundasaviT~, ,,leqsi torolas rom Sevadare~, ,,sinaTlisaken gzas vikvlev, rogorc xeobis SroSani~. Mmas SuaxevSi gamarTuli poeziis saRamos Semdeg vesaubreT.

– qalbatono iamze, wlebia baTumSi cxovrobT da saqmianobT. ra xiluli da uxilavi Zafebi gakavSirebT mSobliur SuaxevTan?

– xalxur SemoqmedebaSi aris lamazi simRera `xev-xev Tebroneze~… me Cemi mSobliuri kuTxis, Suaxevis siyvarulis gamo Sevadare Tavi sinaTlisaken gzamkvlev xeobis SroSans. xev-xev iamzes veZaxi xumrobiT Cems Tavs.

– es ganSoreba mniSvnelovnad Seavso SuaxevSi gamarTulma poeziis saRamom, sadac sazogadoeba kidev erTxel gaecno Tqvens Semoqmedebas. . .

– SuaxevSi gamarTuli poeziis saRamo kargi iyo. TiTqos samoTxeSi viyavi. gavicani kargi adamianebi da sulierad kidev ufro gavmdidrdi.

– sofeli da qalaqi, mxiaruli bavSvoba da RirebulebaTa gadafasebis wlebi, damoukideblobis gzaze mdgari qveyana. . . es yvelaferi rogor aisaxeba Tqvens SemoqmedebaSi?

– sofeli da qalaqi CemTvis gansxvavebuli ar aris, sadac waval, yvelgan mimyveba Cemi parizi. poeziaSi am samyaros moixsenieben, rogorc sofels. zRva da baTumi Zalian miyvars. Cems poeziaSi es kargad aris asaxuli. ilia WavWavaZe gvaswavlis, rom ganaTleba yvelaze Zlieri iaraRia. ainStaini wers: ,,gaunaTlebloba ra magari ramea, yvelaferi ici~. sokrate ambobs: ,,me vici, rom araferi vici~. Tu msoflio sazogadoeba wigns daubrundeba, yvelaferi kargad iqneba. isev sokrates davesesxebi: ,,goneba gawvrTnils Zaladoba ara sWirdeba, Zaldatanebas igi mimarTavs, visac Rone erCis da Wkua aklia~. aqve gavixseneb jordano brunos naTqvams: `wveTi qvas xeTqavs, ZaliT ki ara, xSiri dacemiT, kacic brZendeba, ZaliT ki ara, aramed kiTxviT, brZenTa naweriT. . .“ es yvelaferi, rac vTqvi, Cems leqsebSi kargad Cans. lirikuli leqsebi miyvars, riTmiani, mokle, azriani da musikaluri. . . erTi sityviT: ,,poezia, upirveles yovlisa~.

– deda da leqsi Tqvens SemoqmedebaSi erTad `mogzauroben~...

– ,,dedaSvilobaSi ori Tvali rad unda iyos?~ . . . me da deda erTad varT poeziaSic da cxovrebaSic. ,,dedis CawveTebul cremlze ia amodiso”. . . damaswro Tqma gogla leoniZem.

– rodis gakiTxavT muza?

– umetesad, RamiT vwer. muza dilis saaTebSic modis, magram vaiZuleb Ramemde damelodos. simSvideSi kargad vwer.

– leqsi, romelsac Tqveni Semoqmedebis margalitad miiCnevT?

– mravali leqsia Cems SemoqmedebaSi samargalito. maTze sxvebi ityvian. me vityvi: ,,dakonkili Carli~. aqve minda vTqva, ar momwons leqsis gakritikeba.

– qarTveli poeti, romelsac gzamkvlevad miiCnevT?

– gzamkvlev poets ver dagisaxelebT. me kargad vici qarTuli poezia, msoflio poezia, iaponuric ki. . . da vcdilob, Cemi gza mqondes, araferi gavimeoro. TiTqos mTeli poeziis daskvnasac vakeTeb.

– Tu gqoniaT SemoqmedebaSi taim-auti?

– rTuli cxovreba gamoviare. naTqvamia: ,,erTma sulelma WaSi qva Caagdo da aTasma brZenma ver amoiRo~. werisTvis da kiTxvisTvis Tavi ar daminebebia. WaSi Cagdebulic vwerdi.

– gyavdaT kargi megobari, romelmac guli dagwyvitaT. miteveba rom gTxovos, miutevebT?

– myavda da axlac myavs kargi megobrebi. maT CemTvis ar uRalatiaT. naTlis esTetika qarTul mwerlobaSi ,,SuSanikis wamebidan” modis: ,,man ganabrwyina da gaamSveniera yoveli igi cixei sulieriTa mis qnariTa~. . . adamianebiT dasaxlebul samyaros berZenma istorikosma hekateos miloselma uwoda oikumene. ,,abos wamebis~ mixedviT qarTli oikumenes dasasrulia. grigol xanZTelTan: ,,qarTlad friadi queyanai aRiracxebis, romelsaca Sina qarTuliTa eniTa Jami Seiwirvis da locvai yoveli aRiracxebis~. . . rogori humanizmia `vefxistyaosanSi~. . . rogori humanizmia petrarkasTan. . . dante aligierTan. . . aviRoT aTi mcneba bibliidan da mTlianad biblia, Tundac yurani. . . me mivuteveb, RmerTi Tu miutevebs. magram es miteveba aseTi iqneba: gavCumdebi da davuTmob.

– Tqvens warmatebas dedis gens umadliT Tu mamis?

– orive mxridan kargi genetika maqvs. ganaTlebuli, patiosani, keTili mSoblebi myavs. mama kargad kiTxulobda leqsebs, rom davibade, ,,merani~ vicodi. . .

– mkiTxveli da Tqven.

– me kargi mkiTxveli var da aseve, mWirdeba kargi mkiTxveli.

– romeli rCeva mogyvaT dRemde?

– dRemde momyveba ioseb noneSvilis rCeva-darigeba da yovelTvis memaxsovreba:

ecadnen da ver gamxades boroti,

ecadnen da ver gamxades flidi,

wuTisofels kacad SerCe bolomde,

Turme esec gmirobaa didi. . .

– leqsi Tu ojaxi – romels aniWebT upiratesobas?

– ojaxic meqneboda da leqsic. didi guli maqvs. Zlieri var da yvelanairi saqme SemiZlia, magram mavanma mainc majoba. arauSavs. . . naxevari cxovreba gaviare ukve. `arc xeli da arc fexi ar gamisvria~. . . rac kargi adamiani iyo, RmerTma CemTvis gaimeta. sulierad Zalian mdidari var, materialurad araferi gamaCnia, Tumca aravis gaaCnia, radgan dedamiwis qoneba isev dedamiwaze darCeba. hafizma dawera aseTi leqsi:

am lamazma Sirazelma

Tu gankurna Cemi dardi,

mzad var, imis valSi mivce

buxara da samaryandi. . .

Temur lengi mivida hafizTan da uTxra: buxara da samaryandi rom damepyro, bevri vibrZole da Sen vin xar, rom lamazi qalis valSi aZlev am qalaqebso. . . hafizma ZonZebi gamoutana da uTxra, aseTi xelgaSlili rom var, imitom gavRaribdi aseo. . . mec hafiziviT keTilSobilebis da Rirsebis gamo davrCi ZonZebSi.

– raa mTavari, dagvianebuli rom aanazRauro?

– dagvianebuli rom avanazRauro, aTi wliT mainc unda davbrunde ukan.

– Tqvenze amboben, tyuili ar uyvarso. mwared rodis mogatyues?

– tyuili ar miyvars da imitom davwere ,,dakonkili Carli~. me veravin momatyuebs, magram cixe Signidan tydeba.

– Wors rogor eguebiT?

– Wori ar mainteresebs. eWvs da Wors erTnairad vudgebi. aqac sokrates naTqvams gavimeoreb: ,,amqveynad yvela saeWvelia, ueWvelia mxolod eWvi~. . . e.i. eWvi da Wori ar arsebobs, mogonilia.

– dabolos, prozasTan SeWideba Tu scadeT?

– prozas bevri dro sWirdeba. poezia prozaze naklebi araa. poeziaSi davrCebi, albaT. cota daviRale, Torem romanis dawerac SemiZlia. madlobas gixdiT, batono oTar, CemTan saubrisTvis da gemSvidobebiT hafizis sityvebiT:

WeSmaritebas axade farda,

naxe saunje idumal karTa,

amqveynad yvela warmavalia,

keTilSobilur saqmeTa garda. . .