კახაბერ ჭიღლაძე: ვწერ და ვამბობ იმას, რისი გადამოწმება ყველას შეუძლია
mkvlevari kaxaber WiRlaZe warmatebiT ikvlevs iberiuli civilizaciis fesvebs. man TerTmeti weli baskeTSi gaatara da SeZlo iqaur enaTmecnierebTan Seejerebina Tavisi etimologiuri da sxva saxis mignebebi, aRewera baskur-qarTuli da zogadad, mediterianuli kavkasiuri paralelebi, gamoaqveyna ramdenime naSromi, dawera wigni `saqarTvelo – civilizaciis akvani~, Targmna `kavkasiuri ioga – sicocxlisa da sikvdilis wigni~. sainteresoa qarTul anbansa da dnm-ze kaxaber WiRlaZis gamokvleva, romliTac is asabuTebs, rom saqarTvelo aris civilizaciis akvani. ra argumentebs iSveliebs saamisod? amaze kaxaber WiRlaZe am interviuSi Tavad gvesaubreba.
– rogor daaxasiaTebdiT sakuTar personas da rogor daiwyo Tqveni profesiuli gza?
– mSvidoba Tqvens mkiTxvels da yvela gulian adamians, me gaxlavarT kaxaber WiRlaZe, saqarTvelos moyvaruli, dabadebuli TbilisSi. bavSvobidanve viyavi Zalian cnobismoyvare, veZebdi pasuxebs da axlac kvleviT var dakavebuli, amJamad – iberiuli civilizaciis. warmoSobiT var WiaTuridan, sadac aRmoaCines msoflioSi uZvelesi Zafi, ZuZuanas mRvimeSi da uZvelesi TeTrkaniani kavkasoidi, kotias kldis mRvimeSi. Zalian miyvarda kiTxva, adreul asakSi miTologiiT viyavi gatacebuli. 18 wlisa movxvdi miTosis burusSi gaxveul kunZul kretaze, sadac yvelaferi mWidro kavSirSia saqarTvelosTan – kolxeTTan. iq ori weli vicxovre, Semdeg davbrundi TbilisSi, magram maleve momiwia espaneTSi gamgzavreba da 11 weli davyavi baskeTSi (bilbao, vitoria). iqac yovel nabijze mxvdeboda iberiul-qarTuli kvali (adaT-wesebSi, toponimebSi, ena-gramatikaSi da a.S.). am yvelafriT aRfrTovanebulma movaxerxe Savier kintanasTan (enaTmecnieri, baskologi, qarTvelologi, baskuri enis, oqros institutis xelmZRvaneli) Sexvedra da movaxsene Cemi mignebebi. man Tbilad mimiRo, momismina da guldawyvetiT miTxra, rom wina saukunis oTxmocian wlebamde intensiuri kvlevebi mimdinareobda baskur-qarTul paralelebze orive mxridan, magram Semdeg qarTul mxares aukrZales urTierToba da es procesi Sewyda. Savier kintanas aqvs uamravi naSromi am Temaze, aseve, gadaTargmna `vefxistyaosani~ baskur enaze. man da uamravma mecnierma bevri ician Cveni kulturis Sesaxeb da iq arsebobs mravali mecnieruli naSromi, magram CvenTan ar iTargmneba da ar qveyndeba. amitom CavTvale saWirod, CavrTuliyavi am saqmeSi da Tavad aRmewera baskur-qarTuli da zogadad, mediterianul-kavkasiuri paralelebi. gamovaqveyne ramdenime naSromi, davwere wigni ,,saqarTvelo civilizaciis akvani“, vTargmne ,,kavkasiuri ioga – sicocxlisa da sikvdilis wigni“ da a.S. . . .
– Tqveni kvlevis meTodi mecnierul argumentebs emyareba Tu egzistenciuria?
– rogorc mogaxseneT, piradad momiwia cxovreba iberiul kulturaSi, minosur-baskurSi, amitom Cemi kvlevebi emyareba faqtebs, mecnierul argumentebs, aranairi Teoriebi, mxolod sinamdvile, vwer da vambob imas, risi gadamowmebac SeuZlia yvelas, iqneba es iberiuli civilizaciis kvleva Tu asomTavrulisa da adamianis dnm-is Tanxvedra.
– ,,saqarTvelo civilizaciis akvani“ – mogviTxreT am wignis Seqmnisa da daniSnulebis Sesaxeb. . .
– am wignis daweris winapirobaze ukve visaubre, magram mizezi da mTavari aris qarTuli asomTavruli anbanis da adamianis dnm-is Tanxvedra, paralelebi maT Soris, isini erT matricazea Seqmnili da es migneba rom Camewera ,,mSralad“, maSin Zalian rTulad aRsaqmeli iqneboda, amitom Sevkribe sayovelTaod cnobili faqtebi iberiul-kavkasiur civilizaciaze da isic, rac Cemi TvaliT vnaxe. vecade mTlianobaSi warmomeCina am civilizaciis masStabebi, Cveni winaprebis udidesi codna. am yvelafris gaTvaliswinebiT, ikveTeba kavkasoidebis upiratesoba da Tamamad SegviZlia vTqvaT, rom saqarTvelo aris civilizaciis akvani! amis dasturad uamravi mizezi gagvaCnia, mag: uZvelesi miwaTmoqmedeba, metalurgia, Rvino, oqros sabado, xorbali, yveli, Tafli. . . da, rac mTavaria, ena da damwerloba, aseve, uZvelesi anbanuri damwerloba. . . am naSromis mizani ar aris saqarTvelos sxva qveynebze aRmatebulad warmoCena, mxolod is minda, rom saTanadod dagvafason da saqarTvelo ganixilon, rogorc msoflios mecnierTa kvlevis obieqti. aqedanaa gavrcelebuli civilizacia da aucilebelia sawyisebis kvleva, rom kacobrioba daadges WeSmaritebis gzas.
– qarTul asomTavrul anbanSi damarxul saidumloebebs ramaz patariZe da sxvebic ikvlevdnen, Tqvens gamokvlevaSi, maTgan gansxvavebiT, raze amaxvilebT yuradRebas?
– yvelas uRrmesi madloba, vinc ki am sakiTxs Seexo, maT Tavisi bilikebi gakvales da imedia, es bilikebi SeerTdeba saerTo keTildReobisTvis. zogma kalendars miagno anbanSi, zogma ricxviT sistemas, sxvam biqilas an astrologiur kanonzomierebas, is mravalSriania, me ki sxva kuTxiT Sevxede da davinaxe asomTavrulisa da dnm-is Tanxvedra. es umniSvnelovanesia adamianebisaTvis, radgan anbaniT SesaZlebelia dnm-is amokiTxva. albaT, mecnierebi maleve mixvdebian am faqtis mniSvnelobas.
– qarTuli ena, rogorc enigmatikuri fenomeni, samyaros ena -Tqvens am Tvalsazriss ra asazrdoebs, ra wyaroebi?
– amisaTvis uamravi safuZveli gagvaCnia, enaTmecnieruli kvlevebi, arqeologiuri artefaqtebi, genetikuri monacemebi, istoriuli faqtebi da a.S. aseve, inglisel mecnier peigelis da misi kolegebis kvleva, rom qarTuli is fuZe enaa, romelmac safuZveli daudo yvela danarCens daaxloebiT 15 000 wlis win, piqtogramebi, A- xazovani damwerloba, graklianis uZvelesi anbanuri warwera, asomTavruli. . . mTavari mainc isaa, rom yvelafris sawyisi sityvaa, ,,dasabamidan iyo sityva“ da misi materializaciaa Cveni samyaro. sityva aris informaciis matarebeli energia, dnm-ic igivea materiaSi, is yvelaferSia da Tu mas SevicnobT, Cven CavwvdebiT samyaros arss.
Tu qarTuli asomTavruli dnm-is kodia, da es asea, maSin qarTuli samyaros enaa!
– yuradReba miipyro Tqvenma narkvevma `vefxistyaosnis~ Sesaxeb. . . mainc ra SeiZleba scodnoda rusTavels adamianis genetikis Sesaxeb?
– rusTaveli genialuri fenomenia! mas hqonda gaZlierebuli kavSiri umaRles gonTan. imaze, rom genetikas icnobda, verafers getyviT, magram aSkaraa, rom adamianis dnm-is molekuluri sistema, anbani, mikro da makro samyaro erT matricazea da romelime maTganis struqturis codniT, sxvebis arsic ici. SesaZlebelia, mesame Tvali hqonda axelili da sxva ganzomilebiT uyurebda yvelafers – ar vici, magram SeuZlebelia SemTxveviToba iyos dnm-is da anbanis kanonzomiereba `vefxistyaosanSi~, mag: dnm-is 64 kodoni da 64 marcvali yvela strofSi, maRali da dabali Sairis monacvleoba da dnm-is maRal-dabali boloebi, 3+1 principi poemaSi da dnm-Si da a.S.
– zaira miqacaZe-WaRaliZis leqciebis cikli qarTuli enis istoriis Sesaxeb – am cikls xSirad acnobT feismkiTxvels. . . da mainc, maTgan yvelaze arsebiTad romels miiCnevT, risi codnac aucilebelia Cveni identobisaTvis?
– qalbatoni zaira dedaCemia da bevrs ver visaubreb, subieqturobaSi CameTvleba. igi mTeli arsebiT gaJRenTilia saqarTvelos da samyaros siyvaruliT da yvela misi sityva Tu qmedeba amis gamovlinebaa. is profesiiT filologi da pedagogia da mTeli cxovreba (rac maxsovs) miuZRvna codnis gadacema-gavrcelebas. es misi bunebaa, rogorc WeSmariti qarTveli qalebis. misi leqciebis mTavari gzavnili Cveni, sakuTaris dafaseba, urTierTpativiscema da upirobo siyvarulia.
– `sicocxlisa da sikvdilis wigni~ – rogor fiqrobT, ratom unda waikiTxos igi mkiTxvelma da saerTod, sad SeiZinos?
– am wigns iberiuli civilizaciis kvlevisas wavawydi da sasiamovnod gamikvirda Cveni winaprebis kidev erTi Sedevri. es patara wigni aris udidesi codnis damtevi, ujredis agebulebidan dawyebuli tvinis urTulesi sistemiT damTavrebuli da qvecnobieridan zesamyaromde kavSiri, adamianidan umaRles me-mde, levitacia, teleportacia da a.S. me Sors var gasxivosnebidan, meditaciasac ver vaxerxeb, magram gadmovTargmne qarTulad, specialistTan erTad, radgan mxolod inglisurad da rusulad iyo da ufro sawyeni is aris, rom am wignis meSveobiT ucxoeTSi amzadebdnen mzisa da mTvaris (faraonis) cilindrebs da saqarTvelos arc axsenebdnen, arada avtorma valevskim 1922 wels saqarTvelodan waiRo es codna da daarqva ,,kavkasiuri ioga“. Semdeg, 70-ian wlebSi, borjomis xeobaSi miagnes xelnawers da isic gaitanes saqarTvelodan. amitom gadavwyvite am wignis Targmna da gamocema farTo auditoriisTvis. Cven unda vicodeT Cveni Rirebulebebi. rac Seexeba wignis SeZenas, damikavSirdnen nomerze 551 49 70 07 an studia `deliaSi~
– sakuTar Tavs ras hkiTxavT da ras upasuxebT?
– rac yvelaze Zalian mainteresebs – ,,vin var me“? da am kiTxvaze pasuxis Zieba, mjera, WeSmaritebamde mimiyvans.
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